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Twin Tips As First Skis?

post #1 of 29
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I am planning on buying my first skis and I really want twin tips to hit the terrain park. I also plan on doing a lot of groomed run skiing of course too (I am not ready for powder yet). I can only afford one set of skis, so I am wondering how limited twin tips would be on groomed runs?

I skied some Rossi B1 w/ partial twin tips (not true) and I had a lot of fun in the park. I'm not sure if my local mountain has true twin tips to demo. So, if anyone has experience skiing (true) twin tips on groomed runs, I would appreciate your input.

Thank You,

Tom
post #2 of 29
Get something like a K2 Public Enemy, which is a twin that also happens to be a great all-mountain ski. Many twins share this characteristic. There isn't anything about a twin that would prevent it from being an all-mountain ski, as long as it has the characteristics you want in a ski.
post #3 of 29
Give the Salomon Foils a look too. I skied them last year at Breckenridge over just about every type of terrain and they did pretty well. My only complaint was when we skied fast, they didn't feel as stable. I'm not a park skier, but I will ski just about anything else.
post #4 of 29
Go for it. Twin tips are some of the easiest skiing skis. Your buddies behind you will get a face full of snow because the tails launch huge rooster tails!
post #5 of 29
There are some really shitty twin tips out there but defanitley go for it.
post #6 of 29
If you like Rossignol (I see you have tried the B1) you can't go far wrong by staying with Rossi twin-tips. As a first ski, I would recommend the Scratch Sprayer FS. It's a lighter-duty "novice" version of Rossignol's Scratch FS. I am 6 ft, 170 lb, and ski at medium speed on blue runs, with maybe the odd easy black. I have the 2006 Scratch Sprayer FS (174 cm). It's light, lively, responsive, and carves well on the groomed.

Another light-duty ski you could look at the Salomon Thruster. It has been largely ignored by the park-and-pipe set, but my 6'-5", 250 lb. son seems to do okay on black diamonds and 10 ft drops on his 181 cm Thrusters. Certainly worth considering as a first twin-tip.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
If you like Rossignol (I see you have tried the B1) you can't go far wrong by staying with Rossi twin-tips. As a first ski, I would recommend the Scratch Sprayer FS. It's a lighter-duty "novice" version of Rossignol's Scratch FS. I am 6 ft, 170 lb, and ski at medium speed on blue runs, with maybe the odd easy black. I have the 2006 Scratch Sprayer FS (174 cm). It's light, lively, responsive, and carves well on the groomed.

Another light-duty ski you could look at the Salomon Thruster. It has been largely ignored by the park-and-pipe set, but my 6'-5", 250 lb. son seems to do okay on black diamonds and 10 ft drops on his 181 cm Thrusters. Certainly worth considering as a first twin-tip.
Some thoughts...

Just my opinion - The Sprayer FS (or BC) is probably not a "One Ski Quiver". Spend a couple bucks extra and go with the Scratch FS or BC. I own the Sprayer BC, and it isn't even in the same league as the Scratch FS or BC. Noodly by comparison - way too light. The Sprayers have a place, but not as a first (or only) ski. Mine will never be used for much other than early/late season skis. If I wreck them, I'm not out much. There's a reason they're so cheap. I bought mine just to see how TT's were, was pleasantly surprised, and bought some "real" ones. If they had sucked BIG TIME, no big deal - less than $200 at the end of the day.

Sprayers are not very good on icier conditions AT ALL - forget it for shady/late days conditions or hard snow. They pass, but don't expect a lot. They are fun skis - but not as fun as their big brothers are...
post #8 of 29
I just recommended the Scratch Sprayer FS for my girlfriend's son who is a light, advance-intermediate skier. It is a decent carver (Pete Keelty rated it a better carver than the Scratch FS) and very good in crud & moderate amounts of powder. It would be a good, inexpensive choice for an intermediate to advance-intermediate light-weight skier.

My daughter & girlfriend both have Salomon Thrusters. They aren't as good a carver as the Sprayer but are a bit better in soft snow & moguls. They would be a good choice, also, for an aspiring skier.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by SkiMoran View Post
(I am not ready for powder yet).
why not?
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rio View Post
I just recommended the Scratch Sprayer FS for my girlfriend's son who is a light, advance-intermediate skier. It is a decent carver (Pete Keelty rated it a better carver than the Scratch FS) and very good in crud & moderate amounts of powder. It would be a good, inexpensive choice for an intermediate to advance-intermediate light-weight skier.

My daughter & girlfriend both have Salomon Thrusters. They aren't as good a carver as the Sprayer but are a bit better in soft snow & moguls. They would be a good choice, also, for an aspiring skier.
Rossi's "vertical" (but not quite in this case) sidewall and sandwich construction do help the Sprayers to be better at carving than most other skis in it's category. But they are chattery and squeamish on hard snow - no question.

I didn't mean for my review in my previous post to seem harsh, but for the few extra bucks it'll cost you, I think the Scratch is a superior ski, and I have skied both extensively.

I can't comment much on the Soli's, but they haven't been a favorite of mine in a LONG time. The last pair I had were the worst set of skis I have eer had the sad experience of owning - I think they were the Streeetracer 10's. Yuck. I've kinda given up on them. They haven't changed anything to the extent I'd consider buying them again. Love their bindings though.
post #11 of 29
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But they are chattery and squeamish on hard snow - no question.
You mean the stuff we call ice around here????
post #12 of 29
You have softer ice than here in MN. Probably because you get some "fluff" every now & then. But if you're talking about some of the bullet-proof wind scoured "snow" by "Pierre's Knob" lift last january, then yeah.

But in all seriousness, when the snow gets icy here, it gets ICY. The Sprayer wasn't even worth skiing on then - and I ski those at a 182, where the Scratch's are 174 & 178 - but even the Scratch's had problems when it gets "set up". That's when I would go for my Fischer RC4 WC SL's. Sold 'em though... No skates left in my quiver.
post #13 of 29
Axebiker is absolutely right. The full-on Rossi Scratch FS is a better ski than the Sprayer FS, but I think he is way off on price. I picked up my '06 Sprayers on sale for $169.00. If I could find the Scratch FS for a "few extra bucks", I would be riding that instead of the Sprayer. I had intended to use the Sprayer as my early season "rock ski", but I like it so much I am taking it out it more than my other skis.

Demoing (if you can) is the best way to go. My first twin-tip ski was the Salomon Pocket Rocket, probably not the best one to start with as it is very fat. I demoed it at Whistler one spring day just for a laugh, but was so blown away by the performance and handling that I had to have it.

Another great twin to consider is the Dynastar Troublemaker. I have that one as well and love it. Easy to ski, forgiving, and works well as an all-mountain ski.
post #14 of 29
The Scratch FS is a stiffer, less forgiving ski than the Sprayer FS or Thruster. Its stiff tips tend to dive in soft powder. SkiMoran lives in Boise which means he's probably skiing at Bogus Basin where he'll encounter lots of soft snow, moguls, crud, etc. and little true ice. Considering he's buying his first skis he's probably not an expert skier so he'd be better off with something more forgiving like the Sprayer FS or Thruster.
post #15 of 29

My vote

Supercharger Ignition
post #16 of 29
i've got some 176 Armada AR5's that I'm trying to unload...

skied a total of 1.5 days (3 half days).

drilled once for 305 boot sole (holes are plugged).

Mad Steez top sheet graphics with a purple Valkyrie warriorette.

post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
Axebiker is absolutely right. The full-on Rossi Scratch FS is a better ski than the Sprayer FS, but I think he is way off on price. I picked up my '06 Sprayers on sale for $169.00. If I could find the Scratch FS for a "few extra bucks", I would be riding that instead of the Sprayer. I had intended to use the Sprayer as my early season "rock ski", but I like it so much I am taking it out it more than my other skis.

Demoing (if you can) is the best way to go. My first twin-tip ski was the Salomon Pocket Rocket, probably not the best one to start with as it is very fat. I demoed it at Whistler one spring day just for a laugh, but was so blown away by the performance and handling that I had to have it.

Another great twin to consider is the Dynastar Troublemaker. I have that one as well and love it. Easy to ski, forgiving, and works well as an all-mountain ski.
You're flat wrong on your price, sorry...

FWIW, I got my Scratch FS's for $169 shipped off eBay - they were they Grey/Police tape ones. Another $80 for bindings, and I have a new set of killer skis for $250. You can probably find last year's FS for under $300 easily.

YEP!!

Here we go: http://cgi.ebay.com/2007-Rossignol-S...QQcmdZViewItem

Another (like mine): http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180199952148

Just look. It's easy to find great deals. These are about the same as what Sprayers are going for. Step up - it's worth it.

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post #18 of 29
$169.00 is an awesome price for the '06 Scratch FS, but I'm not too excited about the graphics (chalk outline of a dead body). I much prefer the silhouette of the female form that graced the first model year of the ski. Checked out those links to ebay and found the Scratch FS ('06) and the Scratch FS WRS ('07), both going for $279. Add $30 for shipping and I'm looking at $140 over what I paid for my Sprayer FS. Not your "few extra bucks", but still not a bad price for a fun ski. I found another deal on ebay. Action Sports Outlet way out in Ontario (I'm in BC) has the '06 Sprayer BC in 176 cm for $199.99. I have skied the Scratch BC, but not the Sprayer BC. The Sprayer BC gets mixed reviews. Some seem to like it, others say it's too light and flexy. Any thoughts?
post #19 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
Any thoughts?
How much do you weigh?
post #20 of 29
If we're looking at eBay deals I'll second comprex's nominee of Nordica Ignitions. I usually don't recommend them because they are very hard to find anywhere but online. I have owned the 2006 Scratch FS as well as the 2007 K2 PEs but replaced them with Nordica Ignitions. They are my everyday ski which I use 75% of the time. You can pick them up for around $200 on eBay.

As for the Sprayer FS, I picked a pair up a couple weeks ago for $135 including shipping and have seen them going for less.
post #21 of 29
Eh, sorry, I hadn't realised they were hard to find. A regional thing? There's a chain and two one-door shops that carry them within 20 miles of me.
post #22 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
The Sprayer BC gets mixed reviews. Some seem to like it, others say it's too light and flexy. Any thoughts?
Yes. Too light & flexy.
post #23 of 29

Opinions on Sprayer BC

My stats: 6 ft, 175 lb, int/advanced skier, just turned 58. I prefer blue groomed runs, but always manage to somehow end up on black diamond runs when trying to catch up with my 18-year-old son. Looking for a forgiving ski that can do it all it the coastal mountains of BC. Stablilty in cut-up, uneven, bumpy snow are at the top of my list of qualities in a ski. I'm partial to twin tips, and wondering if the Sprayer BC would be a good choice.
post #24 of 29
gimmesnow -

From your description I would recommend last year's Nordica Ignitions or K2 PEs. Last year I wrote up a review of them along with the Scratch FS. The thread is:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=54337
post #25 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
Stablilty in cut-up, uneven, bumpy snow are at the top of my list of qualities in a ski.
For these conditions, it wouldn't be your best choice. Again, they are very light, and would deflect all over the place in the conditions you mentioned above. It is NOT a "stability" ski. If you like it "wild & untamed" though, go for it!

It sounds like you need a Volkl Bridge, Mantra or Gotama. Or the Rossi Steeze or Brigade. Thes are all fairly strong skis that can handle crud.
post #26 of 29
Rio,
Great review comparing the Scratch, Public Enemy, and Ignition. I have never actually seen the Ignition as none of the ski shops in my area carry Nordica skis. Seems strange, as Nordica boots are easy to find. I searched online and found last year's Ignition in 170 cm for $168.00 at a shop in Ste. Catherines, Ontario. Great price, but I would be giving up a few inches in length as I prefer to be around 175 cm. Also searched for the K2 PE, but only found the 179 cm, nothing in the 174 length that you reviewed. I have heard that the unusually long curve on the tip and tail of the PE make it ski "short" on groomers, so the 179 may work for me. I shouldn't be going on so much about length anyway as it's the feel of the ski that's most important, plus there's the fact that skis rarely measure out to be exactly what the manufacturer puts on the ski.

Regarding Volkl skis, the Bridge, Mantra, and Gotama all get rave reviews on this web site. Volkl's all tend toward being fairly stiff when I flexed them in the store, so would prefer to demo before buying.
post #27 of 29
I've never skied the Volkls, but the overwhelming majority say they are pretty bomber in tough conditions.

In regards to your observation on length, I was an old-school 195-200 guy. I'm skiing the TT's in 175-180, and they DO SKI SHORT. no question. They almost fell "toyish" but I have a blast on them. If I had a second chance to buy all of them again, I'd go one size bigger on each pair. No question. But with the short skis, chutes, tress, and bumps are all a funner place to be than they were with longer stiffer skis.

I don't know if I'll ski anything other than TT's any more.

Nordi's are tough to find, but I think part of it is because they were kind of a late-entry last year, and Nordica skis in general seem to be a tough find. I haven't been on them, but I've taken a good look at them when I've been at shows, and they seem to be a really well put-together ski. People that are on them really seem to think the world of them.
post #28 of 29
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Originally Posted by gimmesnow View Post
Regarding Volkl skis, the Bridge, Mantra, and Gotama all get rave reviews on this web site. Volkl's all tend toward being fairly stiff when I flexed them in the store, so would prefer to demo before buying.
gotamas are not stiff. i just bought a pair to go out west with and i was surprised how soft they were, and also how well they skied on hard snow.
post #29 of 29

Twin tip

I ski the Salomon Foil and love it. Skiing switch is becoming a fun activity. *Hijack on* what causes the rooster tails? I'm not complaining b/c my friends don't ski twin tips so I don't have to worry about it, haha.
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