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post #91 of 117
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Originally Posted by songfta View Post
For those who've followed the history of ski racing, remember when the möbius flip was new, or have skied at Deer Valley since its opening:

"Olympic skiing legend Stein Eriksen hospitalized after slope collision" (S.L. Tribune)

Let's hope his recovery goes well, though it's unlikely he'll ski again this season.

Going back to where we started on this thread. I have removed several posts that personally or professionally insulted other members. Personal attacks and flaming are not allowed by the terms of using this site. I don't know why this thread attracted this divisiveness. If this thread devolves into personal attacks again, it will simply be closed.
post #92 of 117
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Do you really believe your original post deserves careful reading? :

If French skiing is so superior, why doesn't your country produce top ranked racers?
First, can we can the xenophobia around here? It's really annoying. Second:
Jean-Baptiste Grange, leader in World Cup slalom standings going into last weekend
Antoine Denoriaz, reigning Olympic Downhill champion
Luc Alphand, World Cup overall winner 1997

Not bad. France is not exactly in the midst of a golden era in ski racing, to be sure. But I would have said the same thing about Switzerland a year ago, and look where the Swiss are now, so things can change quickly. Those in the know speak highly of some of the young French racers. And since when did we Americans start equating success in ski racing with great skiing, anyway? Our heros are guys like McConkey and Nobis, right? Not Miller and Ligety.
post #93 of 117
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
Do you really believe your original post deserves careful reading? :

If French skiing is so superior, why doesn't your country produce top ranked racers?
No. It doesn't take careful reading to understand it, either. Just a basic grasp of the english language. Unless your head is so deeply stuck in your ass that you feel apppropriate to rerun old WWII jokes, that is.

And, re french skiing, let me check...
Does Arno Adam, Manu Gaidet, Guerlain Chicherit... ring any bell ? (just in the field of competitive free riding). Candide Thovex, if you're into freestyle ? Xavier de Le Rue, if you're into snowboard ? Skiercross maybe ?
It's also a frog who grabbed the US freeriding title last year. Oh, and look at that, the previous one too.

Hmm. Yes, all things considered, I still think french skiing is superior to new-jersey skiing.

(No one can touch Austria, as a nation, in alpine racing. It's their n°1 sport)
post #94 of 117
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Hmm. Yes, all things considered, I still think french skiing is superior to new-jersey skiing.
I don't want to piss anyone off. But I think the french fries I had when I was a kid at Vernon Valley/Great Gorge ski area (now called Mt Creek or something) in New Jersey were way better than the ones you get at Les Deux Alpes. Just my view.
post #95 of 117
snofun3......You keep right on a livin' and maybe before you die you will understand DV. If not, you lose. Which other resorts do you rail on??

I'll say it again......DV has some great skiing. Period.

Get well soon Stien.
post #96 of 117
Don't confuse advertising with reality. DV does have a lot of intermediate skiing but it also has a lot of really nice bump runs and some steep (tho short) chutes.

And because of their targeted audience, most of the crowds stay off those runs.
post #97 of 117
Skiing is a culture, It's a sport where in the old days it was imperative that the traditions including safe conduct were passed on. Today, unfortunately much of the tradition is not passed on and accidents result. Responsibility for yourself is important but more important is responsibility toward others.

Children need to be taught, shown, reminded these traditions again and again. They should not be skiing by themselves until they repeatedly show good judgment to their parents or instructors and have proven that they can conduct them selves on the hill responsibly. They need to be taught that they can make a mistake and that others can make mistakes and that they need to leave a MARGIN FOR ERROR so that when a mistake occurs it does not endanger them or others.

When an 8 yo becomes an 18yo they weigh more and go faster.

Warren, Vermont - January 7, 2008
A teenager from Quebec was killed on the slopes at Sugarbush on Monday. Police say the 18-year old was skiing with friends when he lost control and hit a tree on the side of a groomed trail. The victim was taken to Central Vermont Hospital where he was pronounced dead. An investigation is ongoing.
post #98 of 117
What amazes me is that when a person advocates for reason, order, responsibility and correct conduct, they get drowned out by the so called voices of anarchy.

No rules, no responsibility?

And all without any substantive facts since there is little actually known as to the actual facts.

Then it morphs into an attack on Deer Valley as if the terrain had anything to do with the incident.

Sideways anger, issues of "class" ..... all canards ... senseless and useless.
post #99 of 117
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
I'll be 52 shortly, and I ski about 40-50 days a year, mainly at Whistler, CO and UT. When I "get" DV I'll be ready to hang up my skis. Life's too short for insipid groomers and resorts that rely on food and service. The only redeeming characteristic as far as I'm concerned is that it's snowboard free.

As shown before in DV's ads, shallow, impeccably groomed trails are their forte. This is gliding, not skiing. I bet when I'm 60 I still won't get it. I guess people just age differently.

Tell you what hotshot: take the Empire Express up to the top of Empire Mountain, track over to Daly Chutes and Daly Bowl, ski both of those; then take Empire up again and try to ski the mogul field that is Solace and Domingo, and then you tell me--assuming you haven't already puked out because you can't hang--that you have been skiing "insipid groomers." My bet: you won't, because you can't.

But that's fine. We dig people who stay away from DV. Leaves more for us.
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Just in case you don't believe me. This is Daly in Deer Valley. Yeah, that's right. Deer Valley. Cat must not have gotten to it yet, because I don't see any courduroy. "Insipid?" hmmm. Ok.
post #101 of 117
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Originally Posted by pcskier View Post
Tell you what hotshot: take the Empire Express up to the top of Empire Mountain, track over to Daly Chutes and Daly Bowl, ski both of those; then take Empire up again and try to ski the mogul field that is Solace and Domingo, and then you tell me--assuming you haven't already puked out because you can't hang--that you have been skiing "insipid groomers." My bet: you won't, because you can't.

But that's fine. We dig people who stay away from DV. Leaves more for us.
You're wasting your breath. Some people will never get it. I go heli skiing 3 weeks a year and I still get a thrill arcing down some sweet corduroy. People who can't arc 'em don't get it and never will. Instead they think that ebcause theya re able to float on top of pow and flail their way down a double black that theya re real skiers. It's a joke
post #102 of 117
arc whats that?
post #103 of 117

Don't knock it until you try it...

For me, skiing is normally a pretty bare bones experience; a lot of day trips and brown bag lunches at places that don't attrack he Bogner crowd. If not, I couldn't afford my 20-25 days (most with two teenagers in tow).

A rare exception was a 3 day business meeting last January at Deer Valley (it was a dirty job, but someone had to do it). Thought the service was a little over the top at times (felt a lot like golfing at a fancy country club), but hey, what's wrong with a little luxury from time to time? I only wish I could afford to get used to it.

As to the skiing, well, at that time last year conditions were better in the East, but terrainwise there seemed to be something for everyone there, and not all of it groomed. Unfortunately, the group I was with consisted of entirely of intermediates and I could not really go off on my own, so my ability to explore some of the more interesting looking stuff was limited
post #104 of 117
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
arc whats that?
Are those your goats?
post #105 of 117
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Originally Posted by Lonnie View Post
Are those your goats?
nope my new Sl skis, 189 Seths
post #106 of 117
Does anyone have any recent info on Stein's condition?
post #107 of 117
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
I'll be 52 shortly, and I ski about 40-50 days a year, mainly at Whistler, CO and UT. When I "get" DV I'll be ready to hang up my skis. Life's too short for insipid groomers and resorts that rely on food and service. The only redeeming characteristic as far as I'm concerned is that it's snowboard free.

As shown before in DV's ads, shallow, impeccably groomed trails are their forte. This is gliding, not skiing. I bet when I'm 60 I still won't get it. I guess people just age differently.
Are you saying your impressions of DV have no basis in personal experience, only ads?

DV's not my favorite resort, but I'm reasonably confident that terrain in Daly Chutes and Daly bowl would offer challenge aplenty for your 52-year-old bones.

I've skied lots at Whistler (used to live there), CO (live there now - with 6 resort passes), and UT (used to live there). DV has pluses and minuses compared to any area. But, it also has expert terrain that'll challenge most people, especially if skied with poise and precision.
post #108 of 117
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato View Post
Are you saying your impressions of DV have no basis in personal experience, only ads?

DV's not my favorite resort, but I'm reasonably confident that terrain in Daly Chutes and Daly bowl would offer challenge aplenty for your 52-year-old bones.

I've skied lots at Whistler (used to live there), CO (live there now - with 6 resort passes), and UT (used to live there). DV has pluses and minuses compared to any area. But, it also has expert terrain that'll challenge most people, especially if skied with poise and precision.
NO - I AM NOT SAYING WHAT YOU"RE TRYING TO INSINUATE AND I HAVE SKIED AT DV PROBABLY 8-10 DAYS TOTAL - There, is that question answered?

I ski there when I have my wife with me, because she likes all of the nondescript, no effort groomers that are so prevelant.

You were trying to make the point previously that once someone attains a certain age, then they'll understand DV. I call BS. With the wonderful resorts in that area it's without question the last place I'd go, and even the things that they pride themselves on pale in comparison to surrounding areas, but some apparently have drank the kool-aid and believe the stories. DV is like the BOSE of the ski world - tell people it's great, overprice it and they'll believe - well Capt, enjoy yourself, whatever your age.

I HAVE SKIED THERE AND THEIR ADS REFLECT THEIR TERRAIN AND THEIR DESIRED PERCEPTION - another question answered?

Sure, if you look hard enough you can find gnar, but for gosh sakes, it's DV, whose whole intent is to make vanilla of the experience - if you don't believe that, then go and post all the pictures you want and go argue with yourself.

Anyways, I'm out of here - all the best to Stein, btw.
post #109 of 117
From whence the vitriol? Are you threatened by DV, or those that like it?

Do you feel alienated because others like something you don't. Or, are you hanging onto your "gnar", for fear of aging into a grumpy old glider?

The mention of Deer Valley seems to strike an emotional, impassioned chord.
post #110 of 117
K-Nar (pronounced "kay-nar") gents, K-Nar. Just trying to spread my new term. Maybe I'll change my screen name to that.
post #111 of 117
Wouldn't beyond gnar be hnar? Say it with a fake pirate accent...
post #112 of 117
Hmm, good point. Though K is beyond G too. Maybe I need to say four stops beyond gnar.
post #113 of 117
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
I ski there when I have my wife with me, because she likes all of the nondescript, no effort groomers that are so prevelant.

You were trying to make the point previously that once someone attains a certain age, then they'll understand DV. I call BS. With the wonderful resorts in that area it's without question the last place I'd go, and even the things that they pride themselves on pale in comparison to surrounding areas, but some apparently have drank the kool-aid and believe the stories. DV is like the BOSE of the ski world - tell people it's great, overprice it and they'll believe - well Capt, enjoy yourself, whatever your age.
So what I don't get is this. . . don't you like skiing with your wife? Isn't it a good day at DV simply because she is happy there and enjoying herself?

I will happily admit that DV would not be my first choice. While I'm not always searching out the *gnar*(yar, matey!), I do prefer to ski the ungroomed. I prefer relatively steep. I prefer deep. On most days, left to my own devices, I would prefer anything but blue ice to more than a couple runs on DV-style groomers. (And contrary to what Volklskier implied about those of us who choose deep, the ungroomed has become my terrain of choice as I have become a much better skier, not something I flail around on instead of showing my deficiencies on the groomed.)

However, whatever my personal preferences. . . there is a time and a place for enjoying low-angle groomed. I will admit that I have learned the most about my skiing in the bumps. . . and when I have slowed down on the groomed with instructors. Can't hide a single mistake there, on smooth snow and at slower speeds. And honestly, it can be enjoyable to link some finely arced turns on the smooth stuff. Would I want to do it all the time? Nope. Is it fun sometimes? Sure!

The days when I have been mostly likely to be *stuck* on the groomers have also taught me the most about what skiing is really about. 1. Being outside. 2. Getting some de-stress time. 3. Talking with interesting people.

Usually my groomer days are with my Dad. Since he entered his 60s (and since several ski injuries) he is happier cruising the groomers, working on form. I love my Dad. I enjoy being with him. I'm glad that we can still ski together. I know it makes him happy that I am willing/want to ski with him. He is happy and unstressed on the groomers, stiff and unhappy in the chopped up stuff. So we ski where he can have a great day, and where I can find ways to have a great day. The opposite wouldn't work out so well.

Is it worthwhile to have some mellow groomer days at luxury resorts with my Dad? Hell, yeah. Any day on the hill is a good day. (Especially since I have had kids and it's a much bigger production to get everyone ready and organized and out there.) A day on the hill with someone you love? Even better. A day on the hill with them when they are unstressed and in their element? Awesome.

So DV is the kind of place where some people can be happy skiing. What's wrong with that? If it's not your cup of tea, try to avoid skiing there. And if you're *stuck* there, find a way to enjoy yourself. But it hardly seems worthy of this kind of vitriol, especially in a thread that was supposed to be about something else entirely.

We are the privileged few, to be able to argue about whether DV is worthy of our skiing patronage and whether or not it is fun or gnar enough for us. We should just feel lucky that we can enjoy skiing as much and as often as many of us seem to.


And speaking of continuing to enjoy skiing, has there been any other news of the accident?
post #114 of 117
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Originally Posted by snofun3 View Post
Sure, if you look hard enough you can find gnar, but for gosh sakes, it's DV, whose whole intent is to make vanilla of the experience - if you don't believe that, then go and post all the pictures you want and go argue with yourself.
If you look hard enough? I am assuming you possess peripheral vision, because it is hard not to see the 800 acres of ungroomed chutes and bowl that comprise Daly when you go up any lift at Empire. That's bigger than a lot of East Coast ski areas in toto.

Which leads me to this speculation: you are a liar. I don't think you've ever skied Deer Valley, and if you did, you probably went once, stayed on one mountain--the whole time lapping blue groomers, which is totally cool, because they are awesome blue groomers, but you felt uncomfortable being around people and trappings with which you are unfamiliar.

But, frankly, as to the skiing, you "doth protest too much," which indicates to me that you are a big, whiney, faker baby, who just likes to bash. You keep telling yourself that only "women" like Deer Valley big boy, because I'm betting your stones would be sucked up around your large intestine if you ever really tried to ski there.

And if I am wrong, I am wrong, and I guess I will keep "looking hard" for that big huge mountain to the left of me every time I go up the Empire lift.
post #115 of 117
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Originally Posted by pcskier View Post
If you look hard enough? I am assuming you possess peripheral vision, because it is hard not to see the 800 acres of ungroomed chutes and bowl that comprise Daly when you go up any lift at Empire. That's bigger than a lot of East Coast ski areas in toto.

Which leads me to this speculation: you are a liar. I don't think you've ever skied Deer Valley, and if you did, you probably went once, stayed on one mountain--the whole time lapping blue groomers, which is totally cool, because they are awesome blue groomers, but you felt uncomfortable being around people and trappings with which you are unfamiliar.

But, frankly, as to the skiing, you "doth protest too much," which indicates to me that you are a big, whiney, faker baby, who just likes to bash. You keep telling yourself that only "women" like Deer Valley big boy, because I'm betting your stones would be sucked up around your large intestine if you ever really tried to ski there.

And if I am wrong, I am wrong, and I guess I will keep "looking hard" for that big huge mountain to the left of me every time I go up the Empire lift.


100% perfect analysis

When people start pontificating on how they ski the big stuff at Whistler and CO and they think that's the S***, you know they don't know. Some of the most lux places I have ever been have been in Europe where these entire ski areas are a pimple on the ass of the terrain in NA areas. MW and CMH are very very lux and the skiing's not bad either.
post #116 of 117
Oh man, serious bummer!! He is a true legend. I saw him ski that past two years I was out in Utah at Deer Valley, still amazing at 80 years old. On top of that, he's always wearing some crazy flamboyant ski outfit, like an all Gold Metallic ski suit! Truly awesome!! Get well soon brother.
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Originally Posted by Ott Gangl View Post

Stein was at Boyne in the 60s and on Sunday at 2 PM he would build a little kicker below the Hemlock slope and do his full layout flip for the assembled masses. He was always personable with me as was Ottmar Schneider, another Olympian who took over the ski school after him.

Stein is only four years older than I am and at our age you need to respect your waning abilities. It is so easy to think you can still dance down a mean slope because you always could before, and you may still be able to, but you realize that a hard fall could end your skiing for good.

I was skiing on Thursday and found only one of my group of oldsters, and he has a pacemaker and though he skied OK on the intermediate slope, when he walked to his car he stopped every fifty feet to rest, I walked out with him, Harry is 79 and not about to give up skiing.

....Ott

Your not talking about Harry Grosman sp? are you? I was in the Boyan ski school whah Stein Erikson was in charge.%yrs old at the time.

Mark
 

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