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Best. December. Ever. in New England

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
At least according to this guy

http://newenglandsnowdetective.blogspot.com/

Of course he could be 17 or something

I can attest Stowe is excellent right now. But some of you @ ESA last weekend prolly know this already. This is pretty typical of most reports coming out of New England right now. Many feet of snow have fallen the last two weeks and more is on the way. Might be some rain Sunday - but I doubt (and hope) it will affect much.

Do yourself a favor for Christmas vacation and head up - you will find the goods out there!
post #2 of 33
Great to hear, Ill be at Stratton starting the 27th.
post #3 of 33
Thread Starter 
More fodder from the boston.com ski Guru

Today marks the highest percentage of terrain open this early in the season in eight years. Apart from last year’s mild temperatures, mid-December typically greets skiers and riders with several hundred trails open state-wide. Vermont has 979 alpine trails open today compared to 512 in Utah, according to skiutah.com.

DATE............... TRAILS OPEN..... % Open
12/17/07............... 979............... 79%
12/17/06............... 182............... 15%
12/17/05............... 731............... 63%
12/17/04............... 547............... 47%
12/17/03............... 857............... 73%
12/17/02............... 880............... 78%
12/17/01............... N/A............... 8%
12/17/00............... N/A............... 48%

More than a foot of new snow fell in some locations, complementing the already weighty base depths, ranging from 10” to 66” across the state’s mountains.
post #4 of 33
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More fodder from the boston.com ski Guru

Today marks the highest percentage of terrain open this early in the season in eight years. Apart from last year’s mild temperatures, mid-December typically greets skiers and riders with several hundred trails open state-wide. Vermont has 979 alpine trails open today compared to 512 in Utah, according to skiutah.com.

DATE............... TRAILS OPEN..... % Open
12/17/07............... 979............... 79%
12/17/06............... 182............... 15%
12/17/05............... 731............... 63%
12/17/04............... 547............... 47%
12/17/03............... 857............... 73%
12/17/02............... 880............... 78%
12/17/01............... N/A............... 8%
12/17/00............... N/A............... 48%

More than a foot of new snow fell in some locations, complementing the already weighty base depths, ranging from 10” to 66” across the state’s mountains.


I won't argue that new england is pretty hot right now but when comparing to western areas remember trails and acerage are totally different. Apples to apples. Enjoy the rest of your december.
post #5 of 33
Gotta love the East!
post #6 of 33
Heard on Vermont Public Radio today that this is the sixth snowiest December on record for the state. Not bad!!!
post #7 of 33
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Heard on Vermont Public Radio today that this is the sixth snowiest December on record for the state. Not bad!!!
and the month is only 3/4 done!
post #8 of 33
Thread Starter 
yes I agree on the trails thing - amazing how they come up with the number out here.

But anyway the more important stat is % terrain open and even there things are going quite well!
post #9 of 33

Jay Peak

I am tripping on the fact that Jay Peak is already reporting 180" for the season and 61" for the week. Frickin' awesome-do it up ECoasters
post #10 of 33
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Great to hear, Ill be at Stratton starting the 27th.
Too late. Today is the day the epic conditions in New England end, at least for awhile. No doubt the first 3 weeks of December were consistently outstanding. But in the East, it can rain anytime and screw things up. Eastern skiers who snooze, lose. For those who were out there last weekend, even us westerners are jealous.
post #11 of 33
Still hardly any rain at 3:30, we may dodge the bullet. There's a lot of snow out there and some rain showers won't do much damage. Only going to be in the low 40's at most in Mass. Not to worry - yet anyway. (There's always the January thaw, what was it in the 60's in January last year or something?)

I say carpe diem. 16 days already this year - last 5 years no more then 9 by the end of the year, should hit 19 this year. Going for 65-70 all season. (Tops I've done before is 59.)
post #12 of 33
i can attest to the incredible conditions...locals are saying the best in 20 yrs.

we hit jay, stowe, and killington right after the last nor'easter and it was amazing. the woods are full and soft, and trails are awesome. hoping it only gets better.
post #13 of 33
Thread Starter 
well to be fair today would have probably been OK. We didn't get rain here until about 20 mins ago. I'm curious to see how things were up there if anyone made it up ...

Had some last minute holiday stuff going on so I missed skiing both days!
post #14 of 33
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Originally Posted by ct55 View Post
More fodder from the boston.com ski Guru

Today marks the highest percentage of terrain open this early in the season in eight years. Apart from last year’s mild temperatures, mid-December typically greets skiers and riders with several hundred trails open state-wide. Vermont has 979 alpine trails open today compared to 512 in Utah, according to skiutah.com.

DATE............... TRAILS OPEN..... % Open
12/17/07............... 979............... 79%
12/17/06............... 182............... 15%
12/17/05............... 731............... 63%
12/17/04............... 547............... 47%
12/17/03............... 857............... 73%
12/17/02............... 880............... 78%
12/17/01............... N/A............... 8%
12/17/00............... N/A............... 48%

More than a foot of new snow fell in some locations, complementing the already weighty base depths, ranging from 10” to 66” across the state’s mountains.
WTF does trail open have to do with anything in utah? I am willing to bet Utah has alot more acreage open than every ski area back east combined.
post #15 of 33
Well, it rained a LOT last night. It seems to have finished early enough to give plenty of time for grooming. With cold enough temps and deep base depths, I expect it'll be good today and keep getting better.
post #16 of 33
Lost a lot of snow here in middle Vt. winds of 25 MPH and highs around 30 make for some boilerplate conditions. As good as Okemo grooms, we are not heading out.
post #17 of 33
lots of rain in mass last night too, our driveway which was snow packed is now almost all down to the dirt. yard still has lots of snow, and i'm sure the resorts will be fine in a day or so.
post #18 of 33
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WTF does trail open have to do with anything in utah? I am willing to bet Utah has alot more acreage open than every ski area back east combined.

Sugarloaf has over 500 acres open today.

Darn good for this time of year.
post #19 of 33
Thread Starter 
RE: number of trails

yeah I know but % terrain open is a better measure. Anyway, that was last week, this is this one
post #20 of 33
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Originally Posted by Sugaree View Post
Sugarloaf has over 500 acres open today.

Darn good for this time of year.
snowbird has 82 marked trails but 300ish 'local named trails" we have cut runs here that dont have public names.

right now snowbird open acerage is roughly 2000. 4 times larger than an east coast mega resort like Sugarloaf.

I will admit you u=guys have tons of snow but at the same time I havent seen over the head blower shots coming out of vermont.

Its great in utah right now but we still are below average.
post #21 of 33
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
snowbird has 82 marked trails but 300ish 'local named trails" we have cut runs here that dont have public names.

right now snowbird open acerage is roughly 2000. 4 times larger than an east coast mega resort like Sugarloaf.

I will admit you u=guys have tons of snow but at the same time I havent seen over the head blower shots coming out of vermont.

Its great in utah right now but we still are below average.
Come on, now-this ain't about Utah-I love cottonwood canyon skiing (who doesn't??)! But, us easterners are rightly amazed and pleased with the conditions in our neck of the woods (and I do mean woods!) for december!

A week ago I skied castlerock in deep snow...in mid-December!

More pointedly, I've spent a week skiing trees...in Massachusetts, before Christmas! The recent rain has changed things a little more back to normal But, nonetheless, this has been an early season worth comemorating.

I'm glad the snow has really begun to fly out west too-I travel every year and I like to see snow everywhere I ski.

To More good times!

Liam
post #22 of 33
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
snowbird has 82 marked trails but 300ish 'local named trails" we have cut runs here that dont have public names.

right now snowbird open acerage is roughly 2000. 4 times larger than an east coast mega resort like Sugarloaf.

I will admit you u=guys have tons of snow but at the same time I havent seen over the head blower shots coming out of vermont.

Its great in utah right now but we still are below average.
Well, aren't you special . Sure Utah has great snow, who did you shock with this post.
post #23 of 33
How to get a Bear's goat....

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Originally Posted by Tony Crocker View Post
Too late.
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Originally Posted by Liam View Post
The recent rain has changed things a little more back to normal :
THose of us in the East are all going to be a little crabby for a few days. It's sad to see a beautiful thing end. Don't rub it in.
post #24 of 33
I would rather have been in Vermont than Utah until last Friday's 3 foot dump at Alta. Remember Utah had the driest November in 31 years, and until that storm, off-piste in Utah was a minefield. Still is, outside the Cottonwoods, as evidenced from the sad story from The Canyons http://www.firsttracksonline.com/ind...ticle&sid=3546

I've seen many pics of waist deep and face shots from Stowe, MRG, etc. from a week ago and also from Dec. 4-6. But rain is an ever present danger in New England, and carpe diem should be the watchword for every serious eastern skier.

Percent of terrain open is the best stat to follow for early season, particularly if expressed in terms of acreage. So when you see Sierra resorts and the Park City group at the 70% or so that they are now, that means you're not going to be skiing the super steep stuff until there is more snow.

Northern Vermont does have the virtue (according to the many locals I've talked to) that pretty much anything passable in the woods is skiable on a 40-inch natural base. So when that base was attained early in December, skiing was great until yesterday. And the base should still be there when there's a big enough storm to resurface it.
post #25 of 33
By the way, I didn't mean you were rubbing it in, Tony. I was quoting you as an unpleasant truth. I was referring to those with better fortunes.

Fortunately, I did get 2 great days in. The reality of work and the lead in to Xmas prevented more.

I sure hope you are right that most of the base is still there. The snow went from 2 feet to 2 inches in my yard.

I hope the northern areas are not too conservative about reopening advanced terrain. I've been in New England a long time - I'm not afraid of ice. (Especially now that I have decent tuning equipment).
post #26 of 33
Well, I just got back from Stowe. It was about what I expected in the morning. It didn't get cold enough for grooming until 4 AM, so there was only 3-4 hours of grooming done last night. Most of the trails were like skiig on golfballs. At about 11 it started dumping and put down about 5 inches by 1 PM. It spent the rest of the day skiing Liftline National and Hayride and all was good. A full night of grooming and things should be really good.
post #27 of 33
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Well, I just got back from Stowe. It was about what I expected in the morning. It didn't get cold enough for grooming until 4 AM, so there was only 3-4 hours of grooming done last night. Most of the trails were like skiig on golfballs. At about 11 it started dumping and put down about 5 inches by 1 PM. It spent the rest of the day skiing Liftline National and Hayride and all was good. A full night of grooming and things should be really good.
Lucky you. We got snurries down here. Hoping for a good day tomorrow.
post #28 of 33
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Originally Posted by epic View Post
Well, I just got back from Stowe. It was about what I expected in the morning. It didn't get cold enough for grooming until 4 AM, so there was only 3-4 hours of grooming done last night. Most of the trails were like skiig on golfballs. At about 11 it started dumping and put down about 5 inches by 1 PM. It spent the rest of the day skiing Liftline National and Hayride and all was good. A full night of grooming and things should be really good.

I'm seriously considering a last-minute trip up to Stowe or Jay Peak around the 27th or so through New Year's. I'd really appreciate it if you or anyone up there could continue to update me/us on the conditions and how the base/skiing reacts after all the rain.

If it's truly as epic as it was a week ago, I'll probably do it. If it looks like more rain or most of the best terrain is closed, then I'll save my precious $$$'s and spend them in January or February.
post #29 of 33
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Lucky you. We got snurries down here. Hoping for a good day tomorrow.
Well, I WAS planning to hit the Catskills tomorrow. Perhaps I won't bother...
post #30 of 33
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Originally Posted by Reisen View Post
I'm seriously considering a last-minute trip up to Stowe or Jay Peak around the 27th or so through New Year's. I'd really appreciate it if you or anyone up there could continue to update me/us on the conditions and how the base/skiing reacts after all the rain.

If it's truly as epic as it was a week ago, I'll probably do it. If it looks like more rain or most of the best terrain is closed, then I'll save my precious $$$'s and spend them in January or February.
Looking at cold all weekend and snow on the weekend. My guess is they will still be blowing like mad all week. Jay might be the place to avoid the big crowds but places with strong snowmaking are options too.
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