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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Greetings:

I picked up a pair of Dynastar Exclusive Legends with Look NX 10 demo bindings. I figured bring em to my local shop for a quick adjustment and I'd be on my way. The kid behind the counter said I needed to have the bindings remounted. Of course this a $60 charge unless I mount their new bindings (Marker's) I've never heard of a demo binding needing remounting. The boots are Lange Team 80's, sole length 291. My other option is to take the Marker 1100's off her old skis and remount. Ideas? Thanks
post #2 of 12
jkjollerjr, welcome to Epic.

My new mantra, after personal experience reinforced by just about everything I read here: Never trust "the kid behind the counter."

I'm not familiar with this precise model, but I would think your intuition is good, since the point of demo binders is to easily adjust to fit a wide range of boot sizes? I did a quick search for pics of this particular binding, but couldn't find. Even without seeing.... and without getting into warnings and arguments about DIY binding adjustment, setting DIN, etc... you should be able to at least confirm for yourself if they will accommodate your boots:

Your bindings should have a small lever or tab that frees up heel and toe pieces. Find that release switch and slide the pieces along the track. If you can get them to a position where the boots can snap in, I'd call the kid's bluff... or find another shoppe.

You might also check out this recent thread, where the last few posts identify two forum regulars who have the Look NX 10 demo. I don't know if they'll stumble onto this thread, but most folks are open to helping, if you send a private message (PM). :

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?p=811337
post #3 of 12
I just took a look at my Look Pivot 12 demo's and while these are two different bindings the basics should be the same.

Do you have a lever at the front of the toe?

You must have at least a "push down tab" at behind the heel right?

Do you have a large foot? One thing that came to mind is that your boot center may not line up with the center mark of the ski and hence their comment if ... you only have a heel adjustment.
post #4 of 12
Most demo bindings actually have marks showing you where to set the bindings for a given boot sole length (boot sole length in mm is almost always molded into the boot on or just to the side of the sole).

Otherwise, adjust the toe so that the mid sole mark on the boot matches the one on the ski, then adjust the rear so the boot clicks in, then adjust forward tension. (I only know how to adjust Markers)..

But since demo bindings are designed to fit a broad range of boots, there is no reason they won't work for your wife. Sounds like they are trying to "upsell" you.
post #5 of 12
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Originally Posted by Yuki View Post
Do you have a large foot? One thing that came to mind is that your boot center may not line up with the center mark of the ski and hence their comment if ... you only have a heel adjustment.
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Originally Posted by Plot View Post
for a given boot sole length (boot sole length in mm is almost always molded into the boot on or just to the side of the sole).
The OP indicates he is working with 291 mm boot sole length.... which seems like it should fall well within the comfort zone for most demo bindings?
post #6 of 12
You don't need a remount. Have him show you why he thinks you do. I bet he can't!
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
thanks for the input everyone. My main problem is that this shop is the only show in town. I'll be in Taos for the first time in a couple of weeks and have heard good things about the Boot Doctor. I'll have them take a look.
post #8 of 12
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
You don't need a remount. Have him show you why he thinks you do. I bet he can't!
Sure he can. His supervisor told him, whenever someone comes in to get bindings adjusted for a new boot, "tell them they need a remount". Nine out of ten will say, If you say so.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Just pulled the skis away from Santa's hiding place, followed your suggestions, and that's the last time I visit that shop. However, I don't yet trust my DIN setting skills to keep my precious daughter's legs in one piece. Can most mountain base shops check this while I wait? As mentioned earlier, I'll be in Taos. You guys saved me 60 bucks. Merry Christmas and good skiing
post #10 of 12
Good on ya, Santa!

As to setting DIN, now you've moved into the zone where, as I hinted below, you will get many warnings against DIY. And rightly so, as doing a proper release check requires fancy machinery that few (if any) of us have in our basements. Calculating DIN and dialing it in is only one part, but confirming that a given DIN is actually calibrated to release in the correct range is another. You've also still got "forward pressure" settings to adjust. Find a qualified shop to take it the rest of the way home.

As to whether shops can set it while you wait, that would likely depend on the shop, how busy they are when you show up, etc, etc. There are some very knowledgeable people on this forum with contacts at nearly every resort, and you could put out a specific question about shops and/or services in Taos. There is also a "sticky" thread on recommended shops, which you could search.

Good luck, and hope your daughter likes her skis. Mine already knows she is getting hers....

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Originally Posted by jkjollerjr View Post
Just pulled the skis away from Santa's hiding place, followed your suggestions, and that's the last time I visit that shop. However, I don't yet trust my DIN setting skills to keep my precious daughter's legs in one piece. Can most mountain base shops check this while I wait? As mentioned earlier, I'll be in Taos. You guys saved me 60 bucks. Merry Christmas and good skiing
post #11 of 12
I've got a pair of skis (Fischer BigStix 74's) that I mounted NX10 demo binders on...

To adjust the toe, push the gray/silver plastic tab, at the front of the track, out to the side and hold it (it's spring loaded, so it returns automatically). At this point, move the toe back/forward until the indicator, at the middle of the demo assembly, matches up with the BSL of the boot...It's the rail piece that slides in/out of the stationary heel piece that has mm marked lengths.

Then put the actual boot in the toe and see if the mid-sole mark on the boot lines up with the ski mark. If not, just simply adjust the toe until it does.

Then adjust the heel piece by pulling up on the tab, under the most rearward part of the heel, just above the track. I just simply use my index finger while holding the actual heel piece with the rest of my hand and just like the toe piece, hold the tab up as it will snap back into place if you don't.

Move the heel piece until the indicator line (looks like an arrow, aiming downwards), over the mm sizes, lines up with the boot BSL, or until the heel piece just touches the back of the boot.

Click the boot in and you'll notice another "window" in the actual heel piece housing (it's just above where you adjusted the mm size indicator). It'll have a yellow piece inside with an "indented" marker...This is the forward pressure indicator and is properly adjusted when it's as close to centered in the "window" as possible...Just adjust the heel piece forward/back until it is. Take the boot out and snap back in everytime you adjust...Don't adjust while the boot is snapped in.

As for DIN, take the ski/boots to your local mountain, or a different shop than the one you were at, and ask for them to adjust the DIN and torque test the bindings. Most places will do this for $10-20.
post #12 of 12

look p12 binding help

Hey
ive got a pair of look p12 demo's and last year i found a forum that showed how take the demo track off and use the bindings as normal bindings but i cat find the thread anymore can anyone help me out? with instructions
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