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Base/side bevel on Nordica Dobermann Jr

post #1 of 12
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Does anyone know what the factory settings are for these junior race skis (both the SL and GS)? I'd like to set them to 1/3 if they aren't already. But, if they already are (.5 base is good too) I will not touch the edges until it need sharpening.

Thanks in advance.
post #2 of 12
I just got a pair of Dobie GSR's and they came with some pretty inaccurate bevels (base seemed to be at .5, and side varied between what looked to be 3 and 4). I'd set them yourself by hand or have them ground. The bases were in great shape, so you may want to do it by hand. I set mine at .5/3.
post #3 of 12
The one's I got came square: 0/0

You can put whatever you want on them.

I think 1/2 is the standard for kids. I went 1/3. I now regret not setting the SL to 0.5 and 3. I think that would have been appreciated.
post #4 of 12
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I now regret not setting the SL to 0.5 and 3. I think that would have been appreciated.
That is why God invented the stone grinder.
post #5 of 12
Too late now. She starts race camp on Dec 26th. I'd would've liked her to tell me she likes them before that -- that's team selection time. At least it's not 1/2.
post #6 of 12
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Too late now. She starts race camp on Dec 26th. I'd would've liked her to tell me she likes them before that -- that's team selection time. At least it's not 1/2.
Bummer - do you not have a shop that will do it very quickly mid-week for you?
post #7 of 12
It's easy enough to undo, but I'm just a bit sceptical about those angles for an 11 yr old.

I'd prefer waiting until after the selection camp to do the work, when there is time to experiment. The conditions have not been ideal for evaluating that kind of change anyway -- too much snow. She's getting used to the 1 & 3 now, up from laast years 1 & 2, which I consider a a bigger challenge to her strength -- when the ski can REALLY get hooked up, as opposed to just a bit earlier.

It can wait until the new year.
post #8 of 12
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It's easy enough to undo, but I'm just a bit sceptical about those angles for an 11 yr old.

I'd prefer waiting until after the selection camp to do the work, when there is time to experiment. The conditions have not been ideal for evaluating that kind of change anyway -- too much snow. She's getting used to the 1 & 3 now, up from laast years 1 & 2, which I consider a a bigger challenge to her strength -- when the ski can REALLY get hooked up, as opposed to just a bit earlier.

It can wait until the new year.
I'd be skeptical too.....1/2 is plenty for an 11 year old.....I would have a serious chat with her coach before you tried 1/3.
post #9 of 12
Skidude,

They've been at 1/3 from day one this season. She's never skied the new skis at 1/2. She looks pretty darn good to me on them. She is 164 tall, 110 lbs. Again, that is an easy change to make if necessary.

This year, 150 Nordica SLJ (now at her bottom lip) and the 171 Nordica GSJ which is 169 standing up. Last year, 140 Elan RCS @ 1/2.

Judging from her skiing, I think the 1/3 is ok. I could not put her on 0.5 first, without seeing how the new stuff worked. I thought 0.5 could severly limit her range of movement, and I still do. With 1/3 there is the same lateral movement before it hooks up, and she's a heck of a lot stronger this year.

BTW: She is quite used to *very* sharp skis. I generally tune them every weekend, and have never detuned. The girls have grown to despise skis that are not very sharp. They will tell me when their edges are off.

I am thinking about gently detuning approx. 2.5 cm back from the tips of the GS skis with a gummi stone. Maybe 2.5 cm from both ends might be a good idea?

Any ideas?
post #10 of 12
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Skidude,

They've been at 1/3 from day one this season. She's never skied the new skis at 1/2. She looks pretty darn good to me on them. She is 164 tall, 110 lbs. Again, that is an easy change to make if necessary.

This year, 150 Nordica SLJ (now at her bottom lip) and the 171 Nordica GSJ which is 169 standing up. Last year, 140 Elan RCS @ 1/2.

Judging from her skiing, I think the 1/3 is ok. I could not put her on 0.5 first, without seeing how the new stuff worked. I thought 0.5 could severly limit her range of movement, and I still do. With 1/3 there is the same lateral movement before it hooks up, and she's a heck of a lot stronger this year.

BTW: She is quite used to *very* sharp skis. I generally tune them every weekend, and have never detuned. The girls have grown to despise skis that are not very sharp. They will tell me when their edges are off.

I am thinking about gently detuning approx. 2.5 cm back from the tips of the GS skis with a gummi stone. Maybe 2.5 cm from both ends might be a good idea?

Any ideas?


I wouldn't comment on specifics for an athelete I have never seen ski, hence my comments on discussing it with her coach....which I think is still a good idea. If she looks strong, then you might be fine....but keep in mind to be fast edge engagement needs to be smooth, progressive, and be controllable....on/off edging is not fast or desirable....not saying that is your daugther, just something to look for....who is her coach? If you have someone like Josh M. around to ask he would be a good resource...I havent seen him for a few years but last I heard he was coaching down your way.
post #11 of 12
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I am thinking about gently detuning approx. 2.5 cm back from the tips of the GS skis with a gummi stone. Maybe 2.5 cm from both ends might be a good idea?

Any ideas?
Like Skidude72 said - keep an eye on her skiing. If her coach, you, or she feels the need for detuning the tip and tail then you can do it, but I would let her play around with the skis and get comfortable on them before changing anything on her. No need to fix what isn't broken. Have her coaches watch her during camp to see if there is a need for it (maybe if she is getting locked into a turn too quickly, etc. - you know what to look for).

Later

Greg
post #12 of 12
I asked her last night, about maybe detuning the tips and tails. I told her the effect would be that she could turn her feet more easily, and end the turn more easily. I think that she might be getting locked in to hard. She said she'd like that. OTOH, she can control the engagement.

I think going down to 1/2 might be best this year on the GS skis, and leave the SL at 1/3 for now. To me, detuning is a last resort.

3 degree tips on the long boards are pretty darn aggressive. Heck, I've got a pair of 186's (r=27) with 1/3, and I think I'd like 1/2 better!
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