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Binding step-in pressure

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
HI, I'm new here. Has there been any discussion in the past about a comparison of the amount of pressure required to step in to the heel piece of various bindings? I am looking for a set of bindings for some fat skis for my GF, and I would like to find out which would be easiest to get into when you are in deep snow. DIN setting would probably be about 6.
Thanks in advance for any help!
post #2 of 13
Prolly go with the LOOK or Rossi "turntable" heel design - whatever they're called. They don't make the "true TT" design any more, but the idea for the heel is similar.

With that said, I've never had problems with Salomons in deep snow. Just sink the tail into the snow, keep the binding out of the snow, and step in. Piece of cake!!
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the info. I have a set of skis with the recent Look/Rossi bindings (I started on Looks back in '76 so I know what you are saying about the new ones not being TT's) and will compare them to a set of Markers I have on another set of skis. I want to stay away from the Salomons simply because the boots have had sole and lug planing to correct for leg imbalances, so I prefer something with automatic lug height adjustment (unless Salomon has changed their design recently).
The newer Look heels remind me of the Geze design of the late 80's (I think that's the time frame).
Any other opinions are still welcome.
post #4 of 13
The Salomon Z Series have the "auto adjusting" toe height like all the other systems do. I find it interesting that you would stay away from Salomon though, as having the adjustable toe height is perfect for the situation you described. You can make the toe height exactly right for the planed surface.

Good luck.
post #5 of 13
I have a new pair of Look bindings on a pair of Volkls and they require more than twice the amount of pressure to step into at the same DIN setting as the Markers on my Nordicas.

That being said, Axel's suggestion for putting on skis in deep snow is spot on. Both bindings work fine and should work fine for you.
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
Any other opinions are still welcome.
put a backpack or backpack backboard under the ski.
post #7 of 13
Marker bindings have an "easy step-in" feature where you pre-pressure the heel piece with your pole, then step in at a fraction of the pressure that normal bindings require.
Most other bindings require that you step through the release spring in the heel. The higher the DIN, the harder it is to step in.
post #8 of 13
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Marker bindings have an "easy step-in" feature where you pre-pressure the heel piece with your pole, then step in at a fraction of the pressure that normal bindings require.
Most other bindings require that you step through the release spring in the heel. The higher the DIN, the harder it is to step in.
But then you have to use Markers...
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
I checked my set of Look/Rossi bindings (PX12) against my Markers (M1100). Stepping in on a hard surface, it seems like the Looks took a bit more pressure, but not a huge difference. However, I sat down and tried to put the ski on by hand, and the Looks were nearly impossible. The problem seems to stem from the fact that the treadle (?) for the brake sits higher than were the boot presses onto the healpeice, so you had to vercome the pressure of the brake spring first. The Markers were MUCH easier in that respect.
I never knew about the "easy step-in" feature; I'll have to check that tonight on mine.
Thanks for the info on the new Salomon's; I'll have to take a look and see what they offer. The problem with individual adjustment is that then there has to be a right and left ski, and you have to make sure they are put on the correct foot. A small detail, but if you forget it can be a major problem, I'm sure you'll agree.
That's a GREAT idea, putting a backpack under the skis to step in. Next time I actually have the pleasure of skiing in snow deep enough, I may have to try that just for the hell of it.

Thanks to all, your input is very helpful.
post #10 of 13
Not all Marker models have the easy step-in feature. The M1100 does not....
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
DCNB: do you know which current models have this? I checked the Marker website and did not see anything about this, but I did notice most bindings had "EPS system" listed. Is that the easy entry? I am considering the M11.0 Free binding.
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
DCNB: do you know which current models have this? I checked the Marker website and did not see anything about this, but I did notice most bindings had "EPS system" listed. Is that the easy entry? I am considering the M11.0 Free binding.
EPS = "Edge Pressure System" Just marketing fluff.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by NJskier164 View Post
DCNB: do you know which current models have this? I checked the Marker website and did not see anything about this, but I did notice most bindings had "EPS system" listed. Is that the easy entry? I am considering the M11.0 Free binding.
It's on all their upper level adult bindings. Basically, if the DIN goes to 12 or above, you get the easy step in feature. It DOES work well when you're putting your ski back on in powder. Most binding features are pure marketing BS though! :
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