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How Easy does it have to be? the rocker ski debate

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I find myself saying this (to myself) in the lift line, but why should I?

Yes, a 130mm, reverse camber, reverse sidecut ski makes skiing deep powder very easy.

And if you can have a limitless quiver (4 plus not counting rock skis), heck yeah. You can't own too many skis, that is a fact of life.

But if you have a 2-3 ski quiver plus rock skis, is this what you would buy?

You give up traverse speed, straight on packed road speed, hold on ice, crud bashing power, and skating speed.

You gain float and maneuverability.

I've never skied an entire powder day (25K feet plus) that I did not encounter all those variables. So I like the feeling of a do all ski with 95mm - 100mm.

Skiing deep powder is already soooooooo easy, what more do you need to ski it?
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I got to ski Silverton Mt. 3 times over the last two weeks during which time they've had about 9 ft. of snow, in addition to 94 mph winds at one point. No grooming whatsoever. The conditions ranged from the ridiculous to the sublime, with everything from huge wide open bowls to steep tight trees and every snow condition imaginable, including walking on rocks. It looked like most of the patrol/guides there are on K2 Pontoons, exactly the type of ski you are talking about. I rode up the chair with a long time SM patrolman and I think he summed it up perfectly when he said, "If its deep powder almost any ski will work well, but these things ski bad snow better than anything else," and they get a lot of that at Silverton Mt.

IMO the super fat revese camber/reverse sidecut skis are a tool that is not really needed by most skiers 90% of the time, but that other 10% they are the only thing that allows you to ski well. Yeah, a ski like the Spats are a blast in deep snow, but how often are they doing something you couldn't be doing on conventional fat skis in the range of conditions you ski in 90% of the time? If you are spending money on adding that type of ski to your quiver you've definitely got more money and bigger quiver than me.
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How many stupid threads can you come up with???
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Everything I have heard is that rockered skis are great in all types of soft snow and are particularly good in wind crust and other variable soft snow where traditional skis get hung up.
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How many stupid threads can you come up with???
Getting nervous?
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Everything I have heard is that rockered skis are great in all types of soft snow and are particularly good in wind crust and other variable soft snow where traditional skis get hung up.
If you have a rockered 185 length ski you end up with about 145 cm of edge on hard snow. If that's all you need for great skiing then they will work "great in all types of snow," but I think a lot of people that have them tend to exagerate their all-around capabilities. If its not fairly deep their all condition deficiencies become pretty apparent, but if it's wind crust or other crappy snow they are about the only thing that really let you turn.
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You people never cease to amaze me. ROCKERED SKIS ARE NOT DESIGNED FOR HARD SNOW. They are designed for the variable snow conditions you experience on the side of a real mountain- powder, crud, crust, etc. Therefore, effective edge length, edge grip, skating, etc DONT MATTER. If you don't understand their purpose, they aren't designed for you and you should go back to praising your Metrons and AC3s.
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You people never cease to amaze me.
There is a difference between a reverse/reverse, a barely sidecut rockered, and a fully sidecut rockered ski.

While none of these skis are at their best on true hardpack or ice, skis of the latter category can be pretty darn versatile. Enough so that I suspect you'll see plenty of Hell Bents (and maybe the odd EP Pro) on groomers this year.

Your point was?
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