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post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
Hi im a college student in northern Vermont an i ski at smuggs a couple days a week. I have been skiing on an atomic SX-B5 158cm (5'9 150lbs and can ski). So far this year we have had a couple descent size storms and this stiff ski is horrible in powder, it just sinks. I love this ski on groomers, ice (ice is nice), crud and well anything except powder. I am looking to invest in a second pair of skis for powderdays that can hold their own in the trees and preferably are able to carve decently. I skied a pair of the discontinued Volkl karmas and loved them. I am currently looking at the Volkl Bridge. I would like a twin tip to mess around with (i don't spend much park). I also want a stiff ski. Does anybody have any suggestions for this dream ski.
Huck on
post #2 of 15
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Originally Posted by faceplant View Post
Hi im a college student in northern Vermont an i ski at smuggs a couple days a week. I have been skiing on an atomic SX-B5 158cm (5'9 150lbs and can ski). So far this year we have had a couple descent size storms and this stiff ski is horrible in powder, it just sinks. I love this ski on groomers, ice (ice is nice), crud and well anything except powder. I am looking to invest in a second pair of skis for powderdays that can hold their own in the trees and preferably are able to carve decently. I skied a pair of the discontinued Volkl karmas and loved them. I am currently looking at the Volkl Bridge. I would like a twin tip to mess around with (i don't spend much park). I also want a stiff ski. Does anybody have any suggestions for this dream ski.
Huck on
First off, you can probably go with a longer ski. People are hesistant at first to increase length because they feel so mobile with short skis, but I went from a 163 to a 177 (I'm also 5'9) and it was amzing, your a lot lighter than I am, by a solid 40 lbs, so maybe coming from a 158, a 169 Volkl would do just fine, but you could get away with a 177 also especially if you feel like you might put on some weight. Anyway, I highly recommend the Volkls. I had a pair of Karma's which were amazing (discontinued) and now have the bridges (haven't skiied them yet, but they will be equally amazing I'm sure). I might recommend the Wall for you over the Bridge, it is less wide, )bridge is 92, wall is 87, but considering this is your first twin-tip and you still want a good carver, the Wall might be your best bet. The Wall has the same waist (underfoot width) as the Karma did @87mm. I think since you skiied the karmas and loved em, the Wall would be the natural choice. Plus if you don't need the extra width that the Bridge gives, go with the Wall, it looks cooler in IMO
post #3 of 15
I've been hearing quite a few good things about the Dynastar Mythic Rider. It's close to 90mm underfoot and has enough sidecut for when you need to make quick turns. If you like the Karmas I would keep an eye out on ebay. I'm sure a pair are bound to surface sooner or later.
post #4 of 15
Stiff narrow pow ski is an oxymoron. If you want good float from a 90mm wide ski it needs to be medium to soft flexing. At your size you wont have any issues with a softer ski and coming from something that short it will probably feel much more comfortable skiing on a softer ski if it is longer as compared to a long stiff ski. I wouldn't go any shorter than 17Xcm for a pow ski. Maybe longer for a TT.

I would look at Solly Gun, Rossi B94 / B4, Seth, Pocket Rockets, Solly Foil, maybe K2 PE (pretty good pow ski), Just about any medium stiff 9Xmm wide ski should be decent.
post #5 of 15
Yeah I just figured he could go 169 because he's coming from a 158! A 177 would be a solid jump but definantly manageable, plus tt's ski shorter. If he wants to keep some good carving why not stay a little narrower than 9x mm waist. mid-high 80s?
post #6 of 15
I have been on the Bridge quite a bit and it's a better all mountain ski than the Karma ever was. However, it is pretty stiff and even though that's what you say that you want....stiff is not a great choice given your weight and what you want the ski to do. Also, FWIW....the Bridge is not a true twin. The tail is a short twin and is also pretty stiff for park use.

You have some good suggestions from Tromano already and I'll add one more....the Dynastar Big Trouble. The BT is a full twin and is substantially softer in the tip and tail than the Bridge while still being quite stiff and grippy underfoot. Within it's width range, the Bridge is a very good all mountain ski but the BT is better in soft snow.


SJ
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I have been on the Bridge quite a bit and it's a better all mountain ski than the Karma ever was. However, it is pretty stiff and even though that's what you say that you want....stiff is not a great choice given your weight and what you want the ski to do. Also, FWIW....the Bridge is not a true twin. The tail is a short twin and is also pretty stiff for park use.

You have some good suggestions from Tromano already and I'll add one more....the Dynastar Big Trouble. The BT is a full twin and is substantially softer in the tip and tail than the Bridge while still being quite stiff and grippy underfoot. Within it's width range, the Bridge is a very good all mountain ski but the BT is better in soft snow.


SJ

SJ-
Sorry to high jack, but coming out of the Karma's -which I loved but sold to my brother because he wanted them very badly- am I going to be disapointed in the way these perform in the powder/trees/...off piste? If so I will be really upset at this transaction with the brosef...I figured the extra width of the Bridges could only help in the pow and off-piste, please reassure me/give me a review of those
post #8 of 15
A gotama would be a good choice in a 183 (they ski short), but may be a bit soft. Stiff Bro 179 would also be a good choice. I skied a 180 explosiv there for a year and it was perfect (same size as you, just a 10-15 lbs heavier). I'd also check out old explosivs and Legend Pro's if you aren't completely tied to a twin.
post #9 of 15
Another plug for the Dynastar Big Trouble. It will satisy your requirements and will come in at a lower price than the newer Volkl models Bridge and Wall. Evogear's website still has 2006 BT's for $369.00. It's a fat 92mm in the waist, stiff in the middle, but with a flexy tip and tail that allow it to carve on the groomers. The BT has a good combination of forgiveness and performance. It skis short on the groomers due the full tip and tail, but feels stable at speed. Easy to throw around for a fat ski and good in heavy cut-up snow. Haven't had it in powder yet, so can't comment on that. I'm 6 ft, 175 lb, and have the 176cm. At your height/weight, you may want to look at a shorter length, but if you're a good skier you should be able to handle the 176.
post #10 of 15
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Originally Posted by GotVolkl?35 View Post
SJ-
am I going to be disapointed in the way these perform in the powder/trees/...off piste?
Not at all. As I said, I think that the Bridge is a better ski than the Karma was and is more useful in a variety of terrain. The Bridge is not as good as the BT in soft snow but it is better in other ways.

Those are my two favorite twips (Bridge and BT) in this ~~ width range. Every ski choice requires compromises and choosing one or the other of those two just depends upon what you want it for and where you want it to shine the most.

SJ
post #11 of 15
phew...thank goodness, I can't wait to ski these things....I'm gonna have my way with Blue Sky Basin....87 to 92 :.....I'm jonesing
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
so it looks like i have to decide between the Big Trouble and the bridge. i guess while i'm in in MT or CO it dumps so i can demo these sticks in some fluffy stuff.
thanks for the advice
post #13 of 15

Atomic Janak Bro?

Have you heard anything of the Atomic Janak Bro?

It's a twin-tip AT/Teli ski (landing backwards on teli skis? But that's another topic) that is potentially a good powder-to-park all-mountain ski, and it's very light.

As I understand it, it's designed to be used as an AT ski, so you could just as easily use alpine bindings (with risers would probably be best). If you like heavier, stiffer, damper skis, you probably would be better off elsewhere, but otherwise it might work real well. I'm considering it in the 'powder' category for its light weight (for those times when you decide to hike a bit, it's a LOT nicer...) Another option is the Volkl Snowwolf, also lightweight and not quite as wide.

post #14 of 15

169 Karma

I have a pair karmas that are 169 that I would part with cheap. They were demos that I purchased at the end of last year and are in good shape. They are to short for me and only looking to replace them with a longer ski. Send me a PM if interested.

Thanks, Jeff
post #15 of 15
Hi Faceplant - I was up at Smuggs tail end of last week; nice pow for NE. FWIW, saw an instructor on Bridges, civilians on: three Mantras, two with AT setup, one Goat, one Karma, two PE's, a bunch of Troublemakers, and some crazy stuff (this was 4-6" of fresh) like that superfat Karhu that Line makes.

Can only comment on the Karma. If you liked it, you'd like the Bridge, I'd guess. My K's were 177's, (I weigh 164-ish), skied short, so you'd want similar in Bridge. If you hadn't specified park, I'd say to go buy a pair of last year's Mantras, which can be had for 599.00 new, and which would be superior on ice/mixed chop/typical NE pow over frozen crud, although not as good in bumps.
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