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Help, Nordica Doberman 130 boots filling up with snow inside!

post #1 of 14
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This has become more than a small problem. Its become a huge one. At our ski camp up north a few weeks ago my boots had filled up with as much as one small snowball of snow within just a 3 hour training session. Im suspecting two things:
- snow getting into the boots as buckles are not tightened between runs
- condence within the boot especially when buckles are not tighten

In order for condence to form there needs to be air space where cold and warm air produce moisture that forms into snow and ice. I guess the Doberman linear is a bit too thin causing an airgap to form as the buckles are opened. Anybody else with the same kind of problems? I have tried taping the front of the boot but the tape comes off as I unbuckle between runs and even if I keep the buckle closed and everything is taped over I still get moisture and snow inside. This as I suspect from condence. Ive had the same problem wth my Beasts in the past but not as terribly as now with the Dobermans. Anybody else had the same kind problems? If you did, what did you do?
post #2 of 14
I have had various Lange race and plug boots over the years. Use good quality duct tape (it comes in colors too) to seal the toe area just in front of the lowest buckle. Apply the tape to a warm and dry boot, and don't skimp on the tape. If you really want it to stick slightly warm it with a hair dryer (DO NOT get it too warm) before sticking it to the boot.
Also when you unbuckle, try rebuckling at the loosest setting to keep the shell as closed as possible, especially important in deep or fresh snow.:
post #3 of 14
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
This has become more than a small problem. Its become a huge one. At our ski camp up north a few weeks ago my boots had filled up with as much as one small snowball of snow within just a 3 hour training session. Im suspecting two things:
- snow getting into the boots as buckles are not tightened between runs
- condence within the boot especially when buckles are not tighten

In order for condence to form there needs to be air space where cold and warm air produce moisture that forms into snow and ice. I guess the Doberman linear is a bit too thin causing an airgap to form as the buckles are opened. Anybody else with the same kind of problems? I have tried taping the front of the boot but the tape comes off as I unbuckle between runs and even if I keep the buckle closed and everything is taped over I still get moisture and snow inside. This as I suspect from condence. Ive had the same problem wth my Beasts in the past but not as terribly as now with the Dobermans. Anybody else had the same kind problems? If you did, what did you do?
For whatever it's worth (not much, admittedly), I do not have this problem with my Dobermans, although I've heard that others do.

I have Nordica custom foamed leather liners. My foot does not move in the lower boot, and the boot can be quite uncomfortable for the first two or three runs. Nonetheless, I never unbuckle the toe buckle. For the first couple of runs, I may unbuckle the two middle buckles (instep and lower cuff) for the lift ride. After my foot has gotten used to the idea for the day, I don't unbuckle at all. Even when skiing, I only buckle the toe and instep buckles just enough to keep them closed with no play in the bail.

With this liner, there is very little air space between the liner and the shell.

I ski deep snow regularly. Sometimes, in the best North American Pacific Northwest tradition, it's also kind of wet. Still, my feet are dry.
post #4 of 14
Also remember to apply the tape with your foot in the boot unbuckled. The tape will act as a bellows when the boot is buckled.

I have the Dobie 130s and without duct tape snow/water gets into them. I don't really consider this a problem since the boots are so good.
post #5 of 14
Honestly, there shouldn't be enough room in your boots to get a small snowball sized amount of snow in them when your foot is in them. My dobie 150's do get a thin lining of snow in them on rare occasions, but there is never enough to make into any sized ball. Perhaps your boots are too large and not properly holding your foot, therefore leaving gaps for the snow to seep into... The duct tape mentioned above (do it before they are buckled) will help, but I would investigate boots size as well.
Later
Greg
post #6 of 14
Thread Starter 
Pritty good advice here thanks boyz. Yes, the duct tape needs to be tested again but now as you guys suggests when boot is warm and dry. The dobies plastic is slippery enough when it is dry but when it gets cold and wet nothing sticks to it.

Helluva, I cannot go one size smaller. I have size 29 and my feet are huge so even attempting to squeeze them into a 28 is plain old impossible. I was very surpriced to be able to get my foot into the 29. Had some mods made to the outer shell in a few places and it feels really comfortable but the snow inside is a total downer.

jhcooleay, what kind of foam linears do you have? I have been thinking about foam linears but there are no here in our shops. The original linears are very very thin so maybe a foam linear would fill up the air gaps and in combination with the duct tape they would stay dry.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post
jhcooleay, what kind of foam linears do you have? I have been thinking about foam linears but there are no here in our shops. The original linears are very very thin so maybe a foam linear would fill up the air gaps and in combination with the duct tape they would stay dry.
They are made by Nordica, believe it or not. They have a leather exterior and laces. They use a standard two-part foam injection system. The fitter should be familiar with the product. If he/she isn't, the results may not be acceptable. The resulting liner is very firm and will not pack out. It is also cold, but skiing a few bumps or trees is usually enough to keep my feet from completely freezing.
post #8 of 14
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jhcooley View Post
They are made by Nordica, believe it or not. They have a leather exterior and laces. They use a standard two-part foam injection system. The fitter should be familiar with the product. If he/she isn't, the results may not be acceptable. The resulting liner is very firm and will not pack out. It is also cold, but skiing a few bumps or trees is usually enough to keep my feet from completely freezing.
What makes my feet cold is the moisture and snow inside.

BTW, I took the linears out and filled the boots with water. You cannot believe how much water came poring out of the front part of the shell, it was flooding even with the buckes all tight. There are some serious gaps to be sealed.
post #9 of 14
A couple thoughts. Boot gloves actually help with this, since they keep the shell warmer and add another layer so condensation is less likely to happen. Of course, if you don't like the gaper look, you won't want to use them. I use them specifically to help with the gaper look.

Make sure your socks are thin and wicking well enough. Perhaps try some alternative material for your socks. Don't underestimate this!

I doubt that water is getting in. I suspect condensation isn't getting out, and it freezes when it hits the shell.
post #10 of 14
Spray your feet with anti-perspirant.
post #11 of 14
some boot shells you can reverse the overlaps on the lower boot. If you have a 1-3mm gap with them "normal" then they are much tighter reversed. Rossi marketed this "inverted overlap" a few years ago.
post #12 of 14
I had this same problem in my Dobie 150's and now my Hot Rod 130's. I found that putting a strip of weatherstripping(the foam stuff with the adhesive backing)on the top of the shell over the instep, just under the overlap. Did that make sense? Anyway it sealed off the gap in the overlap and now I'm toasty warm and dry. I use the duct tape too across the toe dam-gotta love red duct tape. Weatherstripping is available at any hardware store for a few bucks and can be replaced as needed.
post #13 of 14
If you are unbuckling your boots between runs, you may have a poor fit. A very close fit is a lot different from a tight fit. My guess is, you don't have the room needed at the instep and the soft sealing edges of the overlap don't come together to keep out snow and moisture. A zipfit liner or lower profile footbed might help to solve this, but going back to a shell fit, what kind of space do you have between your foot and the top of the boot instep?
post #14 of 14
I use both the Boot Glove and anti-perspirant. I've read that the most effective anti-perspirant products have a cumulative effect so don't expect dry feet immediately.
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