Originally Posted by tdk6
Interesting post.... let me try to understand what you are saying in paragrph 1. They have a stiff inside leg and they try to walk their outside ski arround the inside ski causing them to lift the inside ski off the snow and place it down again. The fact that their tails are washing is just an indication that they are skidding their turns and that in itself is not a bad thing because the majority of all the turns done by instructors in an instruction environment crowded by low level skiers are skidded. But what puzzles me is the walking bit. Are you saying that they stem their outside right ski and then lift their inside left ski off the snow and place it parallel to the right outside ski? If so, its a typical stem turn. If not, can you please explain it more in detail.
In your paragraph 2 you describe that you extend your knees as you come to the edge change and then you flex through out the turn. Its a typical up-unweighting move needed to get pressure of the skis and push them into a skidd. This is how the majority of ski schools have been teaching basic skidded turning all over the world and still do. Like CSIA in canada (video at their website). This movement pattern is very ingrained and also used in carving type of turns were basicly only tipping is needed. You also describe how you counter and how that counter changes into antisipation at transition. That shows good upper and lower body separation and is in line with modern and old style skiing.
My term 'wallking' may be the wrong way to say it. The skier will have weight on this new downhill (outside)ski, but the inside ski is still locked on edge with that leg rather stiff, probably too much weight on that ski and depending on that ski for some balance. The inside ski is lifted up and immediately set or slammed back down parallel to the outside ski. I think that's what I was trying to say.
Again my usage of wrong words most likely. Knee extension I mean I am straightening my knees, not locking them, but this gets one taller and more forward. If anything this is a down-unweighting, psressing harder on the ground. Throughout the turn flexation occurs (I like to call it metered flexation because it is not all at once but bit by bit through the turn) until the completion of the turn.
Basically we are trying to set our edges earlier at the start of the turn. True- with lower level skiers we are working with open parallel and later work in more edge control.
This is one of the level 2 tasks. medium turns with no skidding. I was in a clinic last week where my feedback was I was doing this well and keeping the inside ski back under the hips where it belongs.
This may not be a part of this thread, but my problem lies in getting into the backseat due to unexpected, uneven terrain. Maybe keep the midriff tight in anticipation.
In response to tech jargon... yes that can be a problem for many. The instructor therefore should keep it simple. Once the task is learned and learned with consistency then the instructor and student (if the student wishes to know) talk techie over a cup of coffee. Bob