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post #91 of 102

No there is not a dearth. There are bunches of great high end rec carvers. Now go back to munching on brains...

post #92 of 102

Rossignol Hero Titanium skis.  I have the St and the LT.  They really rip. Softer than a true racing ski but stiffer than most of the carvers out there.  Perfect blend of power and forgiveness for this old dude.  

post #93 of 102

Volkl Tigershark 10 ft (no switch)

post #94 of 102
It's old, but Volant Surfers are the best carving ski I've ever been on. Hip on the snow deep carves. No carving ski I've skied in the last 12 or 15 years can compare. My impression is that they didn't sell a ton of this model, so they might be harder to find.
post #95 of 102
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Thank you for the response: I like being corrected almost as much as being correct, and in this case more so.
My concern remains: is there a dearth of high end carvers this side of Race Skis? One notable model is not a rich field.

Good lord, no. There are several superb non-FIS radius 'race' skis that would be great for western Canada groomer ripping. All of them I'll list below are far superior to your old Roc 550's. And sorry, no more 5 buckle boots. Not necessary. Been there, done that. The new high performance race and race'ish boots are excellent. Ski what you can bend and fits your foot.

Rossi Hero Master. Fabulous ski. 21m radius in a 180.
Blizzard WRC/ 15-16 Nordica Dobermann GSR. Same ski, different topsheet. Awesome edge grip and probably the closest to the short FIS skis of the past. 21-22m in a 182. 186 is 24m.
Head Rebels iSpeed (not the Supershape iSpeed, though it would be worth a try as well), 18m in a 180.

Volkl, Atomic, Fisher also make excellent skis in this category.

For an 80 something waist carver for the west, the already mentioned Nordica FA 84 EDT is an absolute ripping beast of a ski. Fantastic! Not super versatile though because of the tip design and stiffness. I've skied both the 176 and 182. Couldn't find the speed limit on either.

More versatile but not the machine that the FA is, the Head Supershape Titan works well for a 70/30 on piste/off piste carver. Not a favorite among Epic ski testers, but I've skied it a ton in a wide range of conditions. It's been a great non-race all mountain carver for me. 177 has a 15.5 or 16m turn radius. Edge grip is much improved with a 1 and 3 edge bevel. It does have a weight limit, so if your over 200-205#, it's the Nordica FA. If you're under 205# or so, one of the Head Supershapes will likely work as you go to performance carving ski.

Want a 100 that works better than your Roc 550's? Rossi Experience 100. This is the benchmark 98/100 ski as far as piste performance is concerned.
post #96 of 102

Wow, a discussion that includes the Rossi ROC 550. These were my first pair of high performance skis back in the early 70's . In their day, they ripped and had a great reputation as a gs cruiser. During my second season on them, I a fall where I never saw it coming, one moment just cruising, the next moment a classic yard sale fall. The 550's bent, something they were known to do, and, a great relationship ended. Never could find a Rossi to replace the feel of that ski. Brings back many memories, but, today's skis are so much better.

 

Thumbs Up to Beyond's comments above.

post #97 of 102
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Originally Posted by aarrkk View Post
 
I have looking for a carving ski that was apropo for Western Canadian groomers at speed, 
and had some luck and enjoyment from high performance rentals, but nothing seemed to 
fully click. Then I tried a Head GS (WC) 183cm, and that worked for me. I had upgraded 
to more modern performance boots (as opposed to my 5-buckle 6-rivet Lange Banshees

Now that ski seems to have been folded in to this following model (they call it an i.GS 
but it has no USB ports) as there is no other 183cm. long radius ski -- And it was doing 
what I wanted: fast carving — that day I was at least as fast as the fastest skiers out 
that day and if I can say finishing my turns more completely. It was great good fun.
Here are the stats on the current model but I don’t know how closely it reflects the 
mostly white with black lettering model I had from a couple of years back.

http://www.head.com/ski/products/skis/racing/worldcup-rebels-igs-rd-m-w/7763/?region=us
Length  shovel  waist  tails  radius
195       98     65     81    35,0
190       97     65     80    35,0
188      101     65     82    30,0
183       99     65     81    30,0
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Here is my concern though, I have “tendencies” to long carving skis back to the era in 
the 1970s when I was so enamored with my GS skis I used them both in the GS and SL in
a class championship. They were 215cm. Rossignol ROC 550s, Rossi’s GS/advanced carver 
of the day. I can of course turn both left and right: on old straight skinny skis, and 
on shaped skis — and on most days I do prefer the responsive nuances of modern skis. I 
do not though — like the frenetic turney recreational skis that give up the ghost when 
faced with any consistent high speed edge pressure, no matter what the advertising and 
graphics say.
From the forums it would appear I should consider the Nordica Fire Arrow EDT 81. Is that 
now the only one that goes out to that para-race—but-not-race-ski zone? (I have five 
pair of over 200cm race skis, I don’t need another race ski.)
With my less than constant perusal in this regard it did though appear that the 
Volkl AC50 could be a contender, but it is now gone and there appears no obvious 
replacement in the line, all though there are a lot of fattish faddy skis, both 
there and else where.


There are a few current skis I would consider:

Kastle MX88 (20 m radius at 178 cm), but I would go for the 188 cm length.

Kastle MX98 for when the snow is a little deeper in  194  (Radius listed as 27 m in 184)

Fire Arrow 84 EVO EDT in a 184 (radius listed as 17 m in 168)

Not to mention the skinny skis (Head Rebels i.speed, Fischer RC4 RC, Nordica Doberman GSR)

 

However if you are a true lover of the high speed pure cleanly (as pure and clean as the bumps and surface irregularities will allow) carved turn, you will know that in order to make the perfect high speed turn, you need a longer turn radius on that ski, and currently only the Racing, Speed Event,  skis have that as far as I am aware.

post #98 of 102
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
 


There are a few current skis I would consider:

Kastle MX88 (20 m radius at 178 cm), but I would go for the 188 cm length.

Kastle MX98 for when the snow is a little deeper in  194  (Radius listed as 27 m in 184)

Fire Arrow 84 EVO EDT in a 184 (radius listed as 17 m in 168)

Not to mention the skinny skis (Head Rebels i.speed, Fischer RC4 RC, Nordica Doberman GSR)

 

However if you are a true lover of the high speed pure cleanly (as pure and clean as the bumps and surface irregularities will allow) carved turn, you will know that in order to make the perfect high speed turn, you need a longer turn radius on that ski, and currently only the Racing, Speed Event,  skis have that as far as I am aware.

 

Jezuz.. have you skied any of these in the lengths you've suggested Ghost? There are about 3 people in a 150 mile radius that I'm confident a 194 Kastle MX 98 would be appropriate for. Two of them are former WC speed event skiers.   It's a much much more powerful ski than a 210-15 Roc 550 ever thought about being in it's wildest dreams. There's a very good reason Kastle makes only a very few pair of the 98's in the longest length.

 

Steve Mahre was on a pair of non FIS roughly 180 cheater GS skis when I saw him skiing last. 

 

And  NO. You don't need an SG ski or an incredibly long ski to make beautiful high speed railed turns. In most of Jonathan Ballou's recent vids, he's skiing a 182 Blizzard WRC for everything... Where on earth do you come up with this stuff? You REALLY need to spend some time on a MODERN ski, not just read about them or figure that what works for Ted will work for Joe good skier. 

post #99 of 102

I think it depends on the skier, and conditions. In firm or icy, I like my Fisher SL world Cups however, if you are not an expert (8 or higher),  the ski could eat you up, you've got to stay upfront and angled on to the edge to stay in control. On thin powder 3 to 6 inches or soft snow I like to go with a wider ski like my Blizzards.

post #100 of 102

whooops! double post..:o


Edited by scadvice - 9/16/15 at 8:45am
post #101 of 102
I've skied on many so called "modern" and "performance" skies and often being what was left at Whistler and Jasper they were not the long radii ski hat works best for me, till I rented that i.GS Head from the previous homologation (@25m radius I think, where as current is 30+m and many WC racers complain about it). Mind you I was using it on a small mountain (for Alberta) and would prefere the 190 cm. version as a purchase. Now this was probable a "cheater" ski meant for club racers but since I was not using it on boiler-plate ice it was more than fine for me, on that hill.
I will seek to investigate those skis, and rent them, even the 190s.
I will add that I did try out my Fischer C4 Race Downhill 223cm. skis in this millennium and decade and nothing blew up, they just din't fit in between the moguls, but you did not need to pole across the flats. And they were race skis from the Crazy Canucks period of the Canadian Ski Team. You must remember that they are not made of "unobtianium" even if unobtainable by most folk. I sure the wood states for the core were chosen with care, but they wood not have used anything but the regular stock and cuts for the lay up. The also have "special" baces for medium warm snow (-5C), but that is not special now.
post #102 of 102
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Wow.       How did this thread come back from the dead eek.gif
Yeah and they crammed a typewriter into the computer.
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