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post #31 of 48
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Posers skiing 100% lift-served on AT gear is soooooo hot right now! The Fritschi Freeride is still a better AT setup anyway.... if you ever really do go touring.
I bet if I took a poll of how many skiers have Dukes but no climbing skins to go with them, it would be a high number!!!

i realy don't see any problems with it: for a little bit more you have binding wich are excellent in downhill mode, ready to by skinned.
what;s wrong with it???
post #32 of 48
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
The Fritschi Freeride is still a better AT setup anyway....
Curious as to why you think this. I'm on first generation Freerides and they're nearly toast and I think this year is finally the year I need to replace them. I haven't skied in them yet, but Dukes seem to be better on paper in most respects except for weight and maybe Freerides are easier to switch from walk to ski mode.....i.e. Dukes have higher DIN, less chance of popping into walk mode when heading downhill (which has happened to me on Freerides before...scary), lower stack height, etc. Plus I've never liked the way my Freerides "felt" when skiing either.
post #33 of 48
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
Curious as to why you think this. I'm on first generation Freerides and they're nearly toast and I think this year is finally the year I need to replace them. I haven't skied in them yet, but Dukes seem to be better on paper in most respects except for weight and maybe Freerides are easier to switch from walk to ski mode.....i.e. Dukes have higher DIN, less chance of popping into walk mode when heading downhill (which has happened to me on Freerides before...scary), lower stack height, etc. Plus I've never liked the way my Freerides "felt" when skiing either.
The new Freeride Plus is a much more stable feeling binding than the first generation Freerides. I have been skiing Fritchis for over 10 years and have never had them "pop into walk mode when skiing," and I've pushed mine very hard in every condition imagineable. I believe this problem is caused by bad mounting, which requires very close tolerances. They are also lighter than the Dukes.

As for the FR Plus vs the Dukes, you can certainly find alot of opinions on the subject. I use my AT bindings 95% of the time for AT skiing, so the fact that you need to take the Dukes off to switch the walk/ski mode makes them a lame AT binding in my opinion. I change the height and lock/unlock frequently with my poles tips when skiing. On a climb I may lock my heels down to ski a short downhill transition slope, side step in deep snow, climb over an obstacle, or to traverse a steep or icy slope, and then unlock them again. I also may want to unlock them for a flat transition on a bc downhill run. When the going gets weird on a climb I may want to lock my heels, which is exactly when I do not want to be taking my skis off.

If I am using my FR Pluses on-area or with my alpine boots I usually am doing it in powder, where the bindings work just fine. OTOH, if you are primarily using your bindings for on-area skiing then I think the Dukes are a better choice. From my experience the Dukes primary AT functions are side country or cliff hucking in the backcountry. The Dukes certainly have a nitch function, but as has been noted, there seem to be a lot of area skiers using them who don't own skins. The hassle to unlock them is not much of a drawback if you almost never use that function.
post #34 of 48
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post
If I am using my FR Pluses on-area or with my alpine boots I usually am doing it in powder, where the bindings work just fine. OTOH, if you are primarily using your bindings for on-area skiing then I think the Dukes are a better choice. From my experience the Dukes primary AT functions are side country or cliff hucking in the backcountry. The Dukes certainly have a nitch function, but as has been noted, there seem to be a lot of area skis using them who don't own skins. The hassle to unlock them is not much of a drawback if you almost never use that function.
yeah I'd be using them for lift-accessed sidecountry tours. So days that are a combination of in-resort hammering (i.e. hucking stuff), followed up by short jaunts OB where I need to skin a bit. Which is why I've been leaning towards the Duke.

thanks for the insightful post.
post #35 of 48
I love my FR Pluses, but regardless of what a lot of people say about them, I do not think they are made for "in-resort hammering." IMO the FRs are good for 90% AT and 10% resort skiing, with the Dukes at maybe 80% resort and 20% AT function. If you are looking for a binding to use for primarily area skiing IMO the Duke really is the only choice.
post #36 of 48
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Shoelaces View Post
yeah I'd be using them for lift-accessed sidecountry tours. So days that are a combination of in-resort hammering (i.e. hucking stuff), followed up by short jaunts OB where I need to skin a bit. Which is why I've been leaning towards the Duke.

thanks for the insightful post.
I've been on both. I think the dukes ski 100x better and actually tour better as well. I've never really wanted to lock my heel for down hill with skins on, and as such the whole lever under foot thing doesn't bother me so much. I also the the duke gives a more natural feeling stride on the way up. The one big minus is the weight, but i've chased z-bo 7 miles deep into the bc with my 20 pound setup (dukes+rockers) and kept up alright for the most part. I've seen people go decently big on freerides with no problems but I wouldn't at all trust it to stay on, ie I would not huck on freerides if I had to stick the landing. Dukes on the other hand are pretty confidence inspiring. They do stiffen the feel of the ski, adding a "plate-like" feel.
post #37 of 48

Both are good at what they do.

I own both Dukes and FR's. The Fritschis are much more tour friendly when it comes to getting in and out of tour mode and using the climbing peg. To me the design of the climbing peg on the Duke is it's biggest drawback when in touring mode. The Duke skis downhill great (better than the FR's) and tours just fine. Yes, it weighs more. But it's perfect for short climbs (around an hour) and long descents. FR's are the ticket for day tours. They ski just fine. Not as precise as the Dukes, but still pretty darn good. Way better on hard snow than the earlier versions, but still not as solid as the Dukes. Yes, I own skins for both setups. I almost always use my alpine boots with the Dukes and my touring boots with the FR's. The Dukes do beat up touring boot soles.
post #38 of 48
Has anyone figured out a crampon setup for Dukes?
post #39 of 48
Do you mean these?

The product page above currently lists them in 113s. I think 92s are supposed to exist as well. Too bad they do not make them fat enough for real skis
post #40 of 48
Have you ever tried touring on "real skis"? How the heck would you drag something wider than 113 up a slope, with skins on yet, is beyond me. Besides, crampons are for grip on hard surfaces, hardly a concern if the ski of choice is that size.
post #41 of 48
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Have you ever tried touring on "real skis"? How the heck would you drag something wider than 113 up a slope, with skins on yet, is beyond me. Besides, crampons are for grip on hard surfaces, hardly a concern if the ski of choice is that size.
its kinda of painful but it works, it about the ski down not the skin up.
post #42 of 48
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Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post
its kinda of painful but it works, it about the ski down not the skin up.
Given the difference in our ages and physical conditioning, its safe to say, that is much easier for you to say, than I. Pacing the trip up and taking advantage of lighter equipment gets much more important from my perspective.

I have both the FR bindings and Dukes. Dukes are sidecountry short hike, and FRs are better for longer approaches. I was a real slacker this year, so I don't get any bragging rights either way.
post #43 of 48
Have got Dukes, Naxos an Freerides.

Can second the opinion Dukes are for sidecountry with shorter ascents but for major vertical climbs out of question - too heavy. As said they ski bomber, that's where they definitely have the edge.
post #44 of 48
they actually did a survey along those lines in Verbier last season - number of people wearing a tranceiver but not carrying shovel/probe.... it was a depressingly high number. Sometimes I wonder about Verbier, its a great place to ski but ther are a lot of tossers
post #45 of 48
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Originally Posted by rossi60 View Post
Marker have released a lighter, lower DIN, cheaper version of the Duke called the Baron for 2009. I haven't been able to find out to much about them but I am picking up a pair on Friday. I'll post back with some comparison info when I get them.
Rossi60,
Any info on the Barons? I am looking into either a Duke or Baron setup, and don't really need a 16DIN setting. Or would I? (180cm, 80kg, Advanced skier). Anyone know what my setting would normally be on either a Baron or Duke? (I want to be able to have some room to raise the DIN if necessary).
post #46 of 48

Hi,

I've got a Duke on a Mantra.

The binding in my opinion skies great, because it is very rigid and helps the fat skis to edge in the hard-pack.

For "skinning" up it is pretty poor, because of the pivot system. But the biggest issue is that it breaks. I already broke two pairs. They brake under the slide under the front part of the boot, because when the ski flexes the snow goes under the plate and the small plastic cracks. 

Tecnica (Italian distributor) told me that the problem is solved. Thursday I'll pick up my new pair, and I hope the will last more than 10 days, like the two previous pairs.

Bye,

T

post #47 of 48

have dukes on katanas 190

no problemos

post #48 of 48

i've got dukes mounted on legend pro - and have fat skins from BD to round out the set. Definitely a slack country rig - although it did just fine heading up tear drop (back side of Mt. Mansfield here in VT).

 

Liked the set up a lot - hard pack in bounds skiing all felt stable. Touring mode was adequate.

 

Was enjoying a blue bird day at heavenly jan 16th motts canyon. Loving life. Bottom of one of the chutes the snow had warmed way up and was pretty sticky. Cresting top of one bump onto next and my right ski pre-released. Next thing i knew - sloooooow forward twisting fall ended up looking at the tail of my right ski while my left foot was still pointing (mostly) towards the tip. Radial fracture stage 5 break blah blah blah. Red jackets came and gave me a ride home and now i'm serving a 3 month jail sentence (house arrest) for crimes against myself + three months probation (called rehab).

 

Operator error? Probably some for sure. Forward pressure setting? Maybe, I haven't had the skis / bindings checked out since (haven't been real psyched to screw around with my boards).

 

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