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Bode switches to K2 skis for 2008!

post #1 of 29
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Made you look

No I just saw in another thread:
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Originally Posted by Rio
This is too complex. My advice is if all else fails ski what Bode skis on.
And thought - who is Bode sponsored by this week?
post #2 of 29
^^^
I wouldn't be shocked. Zach and Reggie Crist have gone to K2 from Salomon for Skier Cross this year. I rode the chair with Zach last week and he said they were working on the cross ski right now. BTW he was straightlining the icy groomers with a Coomba/Jester combo.
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I wonder where those K2 "race" skis are coming from????

SJ
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I often wonder if athletes go with the best product or just whomever is offering the best contract...this would apply not only to skiers, but skateboarders, BMXers, runners, etc.

I mean if say Brand W offers you XXX dollars to rep their ski but you think the product is inferior would you still go with them even if say Brand B was the ski you really liked but they couldn't match the Brand W deal?

Or does it boil down to that a given brand's race product is going to be so far different than their consumer product that you can get them to pretty much make whatever ski you so desire?
post #5 of 29
I think all the major brands on the race circuit have comparable products for the most part. Equipment is just one of many variables in ski racing so it's difficult to say with certainty.

As with most of us, athletes likely have preferences for "flavors" or the "feel" of a certain brand or specific characteristics they want in a ski. However, if you're at the top of the WC standings, your sponsor may produce skis that can perhaps replicate the feel or characteristics desired or sometimes simply paint their graphics on a competitor's skis for their sponsored athlete's use (its been said to happen).

Some companies do have more R&D and support capabilities than others which can be helpful but that's about it, I think. Although the WC season is not far along yet, the medals "won" by different ski brands are all over the place. Atomic still dominates the overall mens standings when it comes to racers that have scored at least some WC points, but I think that says more about the number of promising male athletes Atomic sponsors.

Athletes know that their income is tied to their success. I don't think an athlete would risk success by skiing on an inferior product that simply paid more unless maybe the racer were getting ready to leave racing or if they are not in the top tier of the WC and must take whatever might be offered them .

Ingemar Stenmark stuck with Elan throughout his racing career because they had given him free skis when he was a junior racer and he could certainly win on Elan skis. He had a similar affinity for his Caber boots and skied in the same model for years (only allowing graphics updates so his sponsor could push the "latest and greatest"). But athlete compensation worked somewhat differently then and Stenmark was Stenmark.

A ski racer's career is often short- sometimes unpredictably so. I don't begrudge anyone for skiing for the company that will pay them the most to endorse its product.
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I wonder where those K2 "race" skis are coming from????

SJ
You scallywag.
post #7 of 29
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I wonder where those K2 "race" skis are coming from????

SJ
As I recall, Bode started winning on K2 fours. "We don't need no stinking 'race skis'!"
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As I recall, Bode started winning on K2 fours. "We don't need no stinking 'race skis'!"
Age Class racing is a bit different than the World Cup.

SJ
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Age Class racing is a bit different than the World Cup.

SJ
Thanks for sharing your insight.
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post #11 of 29
Bode Miller 2nd on Head skis yesterday
http://www.zoom-agence.fr/galerie_ph.../img_b/16.html
Head 1-2-3 sweep.

It's part which ski brand has the R&D, and part which ski brand writes the big sponsorship checks to the racers on their skis.

K2 and Volkl (and Marker) have the same owner, Jarden Corp., so any K2 race skis might be rebranded Volkls.
post #12 of 29
I think someone like Bode will only work with a company that will let him do what he wants and make skis exactly as he wants. Head seems to be doing that for him, other past brands it seems were not.
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
.....so any K2 race skis might be rebranded Volkls.
Are we gonna start this again?:













post #14 of 29
FIS ski brand rankings
http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/discipline...ndranking.html

Amer Sports has two brands in the rankings, Atomic & Salomon. Quiksilver has its two, Salomon & Dynastar.

Tief,
What's your comment about?--I must be late to the argument...Jarden does own the K2 and Volkl brands.
post #15 of 29
This classic thread.

At least 4 banned members on the first page alone, what a train wreck. The scary part is at least 2 of those members were the same person.
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
As I recall, Bode started winning on K2 fours. "We don't need no stinking 'race skis'!"
And your insight too of course.......

SJ
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by tief schnee View Post
This classic thread.

At least 4 banned members on the first page alone, what a train wreck. The scary part is at least 2 of those members were the same person.
Well that was interesting. If anyone would care to spill the beans, I'd love to know who "vlad" is.
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Well that was interesting. If anyone would care to spill the beans, I'd love to know who "vlad" is.
Just let it go. Those who know won't say.
post #19 of 29
Regarding "vlad", the only thing I can say is that he and I did have a series of "PM's" while he was up at Mountain Creek NJ, and openly extended an invite to come up and ski.

Keeping a kid racer on the road and teaching three or four days (and nights), right up to Sugar Slalom at Stowe ... it couldn't happen, but there was a Bear or two who did meet up with him if I recall. He would have been sticking his neck out real far to invite "a local" if he wasn't the real deal.

BillA is on staff up there and can probably at least confirm if there was indeed a "vlad", without revealing his name.

NASTAR or NASCAR .... the rumors of who's cheatin' .... hell they even found one guy in F-1 using part of his roll cage system for fuel .... nothihg comes as a shock where there is $$$$ on the line.

And yes .... I even found cheating in NASTAR .... pretty pathetic huh?
post #20 of 29
Plenty of cheating in NASTAR.

Back when I was into BMX, it was often that racers with sponsorships used other brand components and just swapped the stickers.

But like I said, in this case, the guys at Head seem to be willing to do whatever Bode wants to make him happy....same goes for the Herminator.
post #21 of 29
Hey, you sure Jarden owns Marker? I think it might just be a stake. Just a thought. Bjorn Borg used to use one brand of racquet in North America and another in Europe. What's to keep K2/Volkl from doing something like that? Or even Atomic/Salomon, Atomic, say in Austria, Salomon top skin in France? Wonder if we'll be seeing some of this in the future.
post #22 of 29
Bode skied on the K2 four's as a Jr, due to the inovative side cut at that time, they were not "retail" flex four's... many "masters racers" in that era (like me) skied the same ski for a while. Working at many different levels of the sports industry it is very interesting to work with elite athlete's and their personal needs. I worked for Donnay during the Borg years, he liked the specific flex pattern of that frame, normal players did not get enough power from it, same as the Dunlop black graphite, pro's liked it but not enough power for John Q public, many of the K2 GS skis in 80's-90's were from ELAN... Elite skiers tend to like certain flex patterns, side cuts, base materials & grinds etc., and large companies can build just about any thing in the R&D or race room..I have seen it done. Early Salomon boots (Giradeli) were liked by speed event skiers, but the whole insides were gutted and we shot insulation foam inside for a better fit. Stenmark liked the ELAN uniline sidecut and used the same side cut for SL and GS... $ and victory schedules does come into play on what companies these guy's use, but if ABC company has a faster or more responcive ski, the podium is more important than $... The designers at K2 can produce an excellent racing ski design, but it would not surprise me to see it made in Germany... when you think about it Bode should be on K2, the corporate culture is that of bad ass guy's that ski great...
post #23 of 29
Bode actually skied on factory seconds. Tim Petrick didn't even know how he got them. They sure made K2 popular for a while, though!
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Bode actually skied on factory seconds. Tim Petrick didn't even know how he got them. They sure made K2 popular for a while, though!

Actually, they were SMU's from Hermans.
post #25 of 29
Bode on the Chinese made K2?

I wonder if they've been tested for lead paint?

Cheers!
post #26 of 29
:Maybe someone should refer Bode to the "skis you've had over the years" thread.
post #27 of 29
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
K2 and Volkl (and Marker) have the same owner, Jarden Corp., so any K2 race skis might be rebranded Volkls.
Couldnt I say the same for Nordica seeing as they were just bought by Tecnica?

Volkl is completly independent from K2.
post #28 of 29
Funny thing... since K2's move to China the quality of production has never been better(ask any retailer)... Congrats to Bode for another win..on HEAD this time, when I talk to US Ski Team racers here in Park City it is interesting to discuss why they ski on what they do....guess what? mostly it is TECHNICAL issues, and how much the company is willing to work with them on specific performance issues...and will they support them with good equipment...I have yet to hear that any $ was the main issue...And does the US buying public care about World Cup racers anyway? K2 sells well because they make what people like... Atomic did the new Nomad line to try and sell to American's... Dynastar is cool again with the super fats, Rossignol keeps humming, and my old employer Elan is still making great skis and is now popular with American shops again... Making good gear is not always the main point...#1) will the shops buy it? #2) will the US consumer buy it? and now with so much choice what will sell?

BOTTOM line- we have some great snow this week, I love to look at who is skiing on what in the lift line, have fun, rip it up and enjoy this wonderful sport that give us all such joy... next post on my Nokia smart phone from 10,000' summmit.
post #29 of 29
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Originally Posted by Rise To The Top View Post
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Volkl is completly independent from K2.
Uhhhhh.........not completely. However, who cares?

K2 has not made competitive race skis in years.............so what?
Volkl has not really been a major power in racing but again....so what?
Volkls coolest freeride skis are made in a factory in China.......who cares?

The Volkl K2 marriage is one that can and will benefit both companies. As long as each brand can pursue it's agenda....both will thrive. If there is too much homogenization, that could be problem. So far.....it isn't an issue.

SJ
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