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Stockli Quiver Recommendation

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
6-2 225 lbs, 44 years old, mostly ski Mammoth Mtn in CA. Current ski is 4 year old Rossi Bandit B2 in a 182 (112 - 76- 108, I think). On the scale from the FAQ's for the forum, I would put myself at an 8+/9- (highly dependent on conditions!).

Feel that I am "overpowering" current ski at times, also a lot of chatter/feeling of getting thrown over tips when skiing through crud or bashing softer bumps (could also be technique, I know).

Have demo'd AC40 and K2 Outlaw, preferred the Outlaw.

Have a good opportunity to get a good deal on Stockli's and have heard great things, have not had a chance to demo yet.

Thinking about a 2 ski quiver - ski 1: wider for fresh snow days (rarely get above 2' for me) ski 2: hard snow/ruts/moguls/crust/crud (what mammoth is like at the top on at end of a weekend day when it hasn't snowed in a while and the wind has been howling). Hard snow bumps in the narrow/steep have been my biggest challenge, plan to get better at that, so right equipment to facilitate that would be great too.

I can carve great turns on groomers at pretty good speed, carve good turns in mixed snow, good skid/carve turns in soft bumps and fresh stuff (bigger radius turns) and (see above) need to work on better technique in bumps (short radius).

Also would like to be able to comfortably spend the whole day on the mountain, so I don't want to kill myself all day long (something I have heard about the stiffer Stockli's, but have also been told that at my size/weight, stiffer may be better).

My first thought is Rotor in a 179 and a Stormrider XXL or DP in a 186 (184 for DP).

Hope this is enough info.

Thanks in advance for the advice! (PS, I do plan to demo, so think of this as recommendations for demo, but I may only be able to demo the XL).
post #2 of 12
Skip the Rotor, at your size it won't be a very high performance ski. Go XXL (does everything the Rotor does, better) and DP or Scot Schmidt Pro.
post #3 of 12
Thread Starter 
If I went XXL I would guess that at 80mm underfoot that could handle some decent powder (like 2-3 ft) right? So then should my second pair be a short radius ski?

Thanks!
post #4 of 12
The Stormrider XXL is very versatile. I have the XXL @178 and the XL at 174 (Me 6'1", 195lbs level 7/8). They are too close togther, but the XXL works so much better than the XL in fresh and crud. I have ridden the XXL in boot deep untracked and it had me grinning from ear to ear. It definately gets higher in untracked snow than the XL.

Be cautious with the length, the XXL skiis big and likes to be driven hard. The Australian importer compared it to a WRC rally car. So definately demo in different sizes.

The only reason I rode the XL last season is because the XL is mounted for alpine skiing and the XXL is set up for alpine touring. Now that I've replaced the Freeride + binding with the Duke, the on-piste performance of the XXL should improve.

For me a 2 ski Stockli quiver would be Stormrider XXL and Laser SC.
post #5 of 12
Get the DPs for your #1. The extra width and the sidecut is far more suited to powder than XXLs. And the current generation DPs aren't the stiff skis on which their reputation were buildt. I tried them out in 184 yesterday and it was a very different ski compared the DPs of old, softer and very easy handling, yet still great edgehold.
post #6 of 12
I own the XL's (174) and the Rotor (169); weigh 163. At my size, the XL requires my A game; then it's literally the best all around ski I've ever been on (in a half century of skiing). Just don't expect it to like to go slow; it's a closeted GS that also happens to eat crud. You would thrive on it in the 184.

The Rotor underwhelms me, actually. Don't get me wrong, a very nice ski, preternaturally easy to wiggle through soft bumps, floats really well in boot-top, is OK at speed if you keep it on edge. But not that trademark Stockli smoothness motoring through crap, and not great on ice. (In fact, my Head Supershapes are better on ice, better at speed, and better in crud.) Also not a speed demon; front end gets bit light north of 35 mph. So just a very nice, very specialized ski that I'd want to keep if I carved up soft groomed, or lotsa tight bumps and trees just after a storm. IMO, you'd overwhelm it even at 179cm.

Haven't skied the XXL, but with your stated desire for two skis, unclear why you'd get it. The logical Stockli quiver would be the XL in 184 and the DP in 184 if you're more like a true 8, 194 if you're more like a true 9 and like to exceed realistic speeds.

Friendly warning: Any of these scenarios will lead you to skis that are VASTLY different than Rossis or K2's. Be prepared for a workout at first.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses. I guess a XXL in a 178 would do for me for all mountain + the reasonable powder I usually see (knee high at most maybe thigh if I'm lucky) and then maybe one of the Laser series for use when it is more skied out (hard fast/tight bumps/tighter lines, etc.). We also usually end up with a lot of drifted crud on those days as well so avoiding tip deflection issues is really nice..
post #8 of 12
Thread Starter 
To "Beyond": Thanks for giving your opinion, from some of your other posts, it seems you are familiar with Mammoth conditions - do you still advocate a mid-fat when the mountain is pretty skied out? How about shorter radius stuff or bumps? (In the Stockli line).

Thanks again -
post #9 of 12
Hi MSM - Well, you're partly asking about style. I think the XL would rock at Mammoth as it gets skied off, definitely would handle the heavy chop and forming bumps. At your weight, it'll feel very turnable. But while it'll handle bumps surprisingly well, understand it's not soft enough to really live there. I see it more as a superb transitional ski; you can go from ice to chop to stiff crud or boot top pow without missing a beat. If you want something that's a bit quicker, more oriented toward hardpack and bumps, I hear a lot of good stuff about the Cross. Not sure I'd go all the way to a Laser SC for Mammoth. But either the Cross or the XL would make great bookends to a DP. Which will kill the Sierra Cement when it dumps.
post #10 of 12
IMO the call is for a 3 ski quiver - Gotama, XXL and Laser. None will be great in bumps, so avoid them.
post #11 of 12
MSM - I bought the XXL in a 186. I am 6'1" 185lbs. and in my opinion they are the best "one" ski quiver I have ever been on. They are definately not the DP beasts of old. I live in Colorado and have eight days on them so far. They hold an incredible edge and I have not found the top end speed yet. You can make nearly any turn on hard pack and they simply blast through POW and crud. They are the most stable ski I have ridden and I do not feel the 186 is too long. I had them in 8 inches of fluff in the bumps at Mary Jane and thought they worked really well. Overall the ski is incredibly versatile.
post #12 of 12
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Originally Posted by beyond View Post
Hi MSM - Well, you're partly asking about style. I think the XL would rock at Mammoth as it gets skied off, definitely would handle the heavy chop and forming bumps. At your weight, it'll feel very turnable. But while it'll handle bumps surprisingly well, understand it's not soft enough to really live there. I see it more as a superb transitional ski; you can go from ice to chop to stiff crud or boot top pow without missing a beat. If you want something that's a bit quicker, more oriented toward hardpack and bumps, I hear a lot of good stuff about the Cross. Not sure I'd go all the way to a Laser SC for Mammoth. But either the Cross or the XL would make great bookends to a DP. Which will kill the Sierra Cement when it dumps.
I picked up a 2006 version of the Stormrider AT (166cm) for my teenage son recently. I gather it's sort of the "bottom of the line", albeit a fine line. What sort of compromises involved with that ski? He'll be using mostly on bumps, steeper east coast groomers, and maybe some trees. He's 6', 130lbs.
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