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post #31 of 67
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
If you're a level 9, another ski on your list should be the 186cm Head iM88.

It'll do everything you're asking for and more.
Thanks, Bob.

I have a file of skis to demo. It includes four specific Bear Reviewers to pay attention to and you are one of them. So the iM88's just went on my list.


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Originally Posted by Borat View Post
1. 06/07 Blizzard Titan PRO 193
2. 06/07 Stockli DP Pro 194
3. 04/05 Head Monster IM85 193

Ranked. You can get deals on these, ESPECIALLY the last one (Level Nine Sports).
Thanks. L9S seems very "heavy" with Head and Ninthward brands, but I will watch them....


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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
PMGear BRO 188 stiff, or Armada ANT. The bias being towards the BRO.

With your stats, the 188 stiff BRO has almost no limitations as an everyday one-ski quiver...

I'm 5'10", 205lbs, level 8 and my BRO's absolutely kick ass on everything and always put a smile on my face...I couldn't live w/out them!
I've got some homework to do. I've never heard of either of these....

- KK
post #32 of 67
www.pmgear.com

It's the first ski (BRO model ski) designed out of an internet based collective and the subsequent company (PM Gear) which was formed to build/market the ski. The forum is referred to as TGR... www.tetongravity.com/forums .


http://www.armadaskis.com/product/skis/ant.php

Despite the hype about it being this big, stiff big mountain speed demon (which it is), the ANT is also relatively easy to ski for us mere mortals and rails groomers.

I own both skis (the PMGear model I have is the 188 stiff BRO) and love both skis. Of the two, the nod goes to the BRO's, especially if you insist on doing some bump skiing.
post #33 of 67
Dude... as a big guy from Utah... go Atomic Nomad Crimson 185... you will love life... it is DUMPING here now..
post #34 of 67
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Originally Posted by Johnnys Zoo View Post
Just say it...OK, Nordica Hellcat. Try it.
I want this ski.

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Originally Posted by Nix View Post
PLEASE, do yourself a favor and demo a pair of Volkl AC40.
See below...

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Originally Posted by bjohansson View Post
Although I would never second guess SJ, also consider the Nordica Hot Rod Jet Fuel (84mm waist and burly as all get out).
40-50 days on this ski (126-84-112... 186 r=20) and I have yet to find the speed limit. This is my piste/crud/arcing tool that compliments my gotama. I have never laid turns on any other ski as I have on my Jet Fuel.

tanks on speedskates with a customizable, midsole/system binding. It'll drag hip in tight super-slalom turns at 40 mph on hardpack and it'll arc up GS turns in windbuff butter. And... when you need to slow down (because you will) the tails pull out of arcs with ease.

This ski will be saught after 5-8 years from now. I promise... hence, my desire for its bigger brother, just released this winter- the Hellcat.
post #35 of 67
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Okay, this *stinks*!!!

The day before Christmas I found a *sweet* deal on some Titan Nines at EvoGear. That was such a deal, I'd probably just buy them without even demo-ing them....

My son, who is my favorite skiing buddy, was visiting and I showed him the Nines on their site. Excited for me, he said "So grab 'em before someone else does!"

I told him I was hesitating because I'd spent so much money on Christmas. And I was waiting to see if some of my already-invoiced clients were going to pay me before the year-end.

So today he calls me and says, "Pop, you're talking to the proud owner of a new pair of Titan Nines! And it was the easiest purchase ever. I know 'this guy' who did all the research for me. He even found them. All I had to do was call and give 'em my credit card number...!"

I can't believe it!!! My own son!

So ... I'm looking for a new skiing buddy. That fink!

(I'm going to sulk now....)

- KK
post #36 of 67
Kaptain Karl, not previously mentioned, but one ski I think you'd really like - Stockli Stormrider XXL. Demo a couple of lengths as these ski long. As you're riding out west, the extra width would make it more versatile than the Stormrider XL. I own or have owned the Volkl AC3 and AC4, great skis, but for me the Stormies do it so much better. Neither are park and ride skis and I think that would also suit your style better.
post #37 of 67
I would agree with samurai about the Jet Fuels. I ski on it everyday, both teaching and freeskiing. I ski it in a 170 and it doesn't seem short or unstable to me. :
post #38 of 67
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Ugh...! I've re-evaluated my preferences, trying to be as rational as possible. Based on a 5-point scale this now is how I state *my* desired performance:

5 - - Fast Carving GS-type skiing
5 - - Steep Chutes
5 - - Crud & Choppy snow
4.5 - Corn and/or mashed potatoes (I love spring skiing!)
4 - - Powder (Would be "5" but I know above-knee-deep won't be that commonly encountered.)
3.5 - Bumps
x - - Freestyle (I just don't care. I don't do that.)
x - - Terrain Park (Yeah. If I'm not there, start without me.)

These first four boards are all in my "A+ Group"

Blizzard
Titan Nine 188

Elan
Magfire 14 184

Head
iM88

Atomic
Nomad Crimson

... Any of the above four seem like they'd be super. (If I can't find them, the below are my alternatives....)

Fischer
AMC 79
Watea 84

Nordica
Hellcat

Dynastar
Legend 8000

- KK
post #39 of 67
You still want a PMGear 188 stiff BRO...The Titan Nine would be a good choice as would a Dynastar Legend Pro, or XXL...NOT the 8000!
post #40 of 67
Hi Karl,

I'm 230 plus and I would guess I'm a 7 to 9 skier.

I've skied most of the models on your list and understand your preferences.

I agree with Steve, go bigger.

Blizzard
193cm Titan Pro 125-95-115mm

Elan
186cm 888 128-88-108mm

Head
186cm iM88 126-88-112mm

Atomic
183cm Nomad Crimson

Fischer
186cm Watea 94 130-94-118mm
192cm Watea 101 134-101-124mm

Dynastar
186cm Legend Pro 124-97-116cm
post #41 of 67
You should consider the Fischer Heats, specifically the top two models. I think they would be better than the Wateas given your stated preferences.
post #42 of 67
Hey guys, That guy touting the clasic Javs was RIGHT!!! But, if you want true performance in the bumps, better check out our new Hart F17's. GS Pedigree, handmade sidewall construction. If you do want to go Phat though, check out the Hart Feulie Boss. http://hartskis.com
post #43 of 67
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Yes, barrett, the more I read about these skis the more I am inclined to "go big."

Thanks to everyone for helping me narrow/refine/ change my search. I'm supposed to ski Saturday with my son and he'll be skiing on *my* Titans...! I'll keep you posted....

- KK
post #44 of 67
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My son's skis didn't arrive until today (Monday) so we did not go. BUT ... Saturday the 12th is a Demo Day at Monarch.

So ... he'll be on (my) nines and I'll be demoing what I can. Should be fun.

Anyone want to meet up at Monarch? [Now if only I could remember the secret Bear handshake....]

- KK
post #45 of 67
Here is a vote for the i.M88 in a 186.
post #46 of 67
what size T9's did your son get?

I have the 181 (i'm 5'11") and when i demoed the previous year's piss green models I loved 'em.

Good stiffy.

Since you're a bit taller and heavier, you might (as has been suggested several times previous) try the Titan Pro in a 193.

You can probably find some on closeout since Blizzard revamped their line-up this season.

I am curious as to whether or not your son actually got the Titan 9 or the Titan 8 (I haven't seen the T9 up on EvoGear for quite some time as I have been looking for getting some 188's)
post #47 of 67
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Originally Posted by dookey67 View Post
what size T9's did your son get?
188cm

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Since you're a bit taller and heavier, you might (as has been suggested several times previous) try the Titan Pro in a 193.

You can probably find some on closeout since Blizzard revamped their line-up this season.
I'd love to have both come true.

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I am curious as to whether or not your son actually got the Titan 9 or the Titan 8 (I haven't seen the T9 up on EvoGear for quite some time as I have been looking for getting some 188's)
They are the NINES.

- KK
post #48 of 67
KK,

You son should really lend you his skis sometime. It would only be fair.
post #49 of 67
Thread Starter 
I'm praying he *hates* them ... and I'll offer to take them off his hands for -- ohh -- 75ยข on the dollar. [Insert evil laugh!]

- KK
post #50 of 67
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Okay, I'm pooped! Monarch had really great snow the powder was Light-Medium in weight and ranged from boot-top to just over the knee.

The Demo Day was challenging, disappointing and fun ... all at the same time. I'll post more later, but I'm going to bed!

The ski selection wasn't nearly what I'd hoped ... or what they'd told me on the phone. I "made do...."

Hated:
Rossi Bandit B94s. These 178s "skied really short." The Demo guy did say they were "just something else to try" while all the good boards were still out. I think he was trying to kill me...!

Didn't Like:
Dynastar Mythic Riders. They were very "nervous" skis; always wanting to crank short-radius turns. And they perfectly imitated my Rossi 9Xs at speed; the tips liked to flutter. These scared me at being such a mis-match for the type of skiing I like. (Who on here recommended these to me...?)

Liked:
Volkl Mantras. They floated on the powder really nicely; I cannot remember bottoming-out in a single turn. But they were a little "squirrely" above my average cruising speed, and I can't tell you why this bugged me but, they felt too light.

LOVED:
Dynastar Pro Riders. A really stable ski which wasn't hampered by cut-up pow or crud and loved speed. I even took them down a bumped-up glade run with some pretty narrow necks in two places and they were much quicker and more nimble than I expected. I had a great deal of confidence in this ski.


The Manger told my on the phone they'd have the Nomad Crimsons and the iM88s too. They didn't....

"My" Demo guy kept telling me I'd love the K2 Koomba (sp?) but each time I was at the tent it was out.

I need to study these results some more and see if I can tweak my list....

It was a tremendous day! G'night.

- KK
post #51 of 67
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Originally Posted by Kaptain Karl View Post
Okay, I'm pooped! Monarch had really great snow the powder was Light-Medium in weight and ranged from boot-top to just over the knee....


...LOVED:
Dynastar Pro Riders. A really stable ski which wasn't hampered by cut-up pow or crud and loved speed. I even took them down a bumped-up glade run with some pretty narrow necks in two places and they were much quicker and more nimble than I expected. I had a great deal of confidence in this ski....

...It was a tremendous day! G'night.

- KK
Great luck, to demo powder skis in real powder!

The Legend Pro Rider is a great match, based on your stated requirements. It's not the ideal ultra deep snow ski. But for resort skiing..., I don't think you need to look further.

Michael
post #52 of 67
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Hey, big Bears, I'm still eager for your suggestions.

I just spoke with the store manager (the guys who ran the Demo Day) who referred me to a *different* store manager. Based on the feedback from my day at Monarch, he advised me to do my next demoes at the mountain. (They don't carry the lengths of skis I like in the Front Range stores.)

He thought I would be wasting my time with the iM88s. He says if I like the Pro Rider so much, the 88s would be a let down....

He recommended I replace the Hellcat, on my list, with the Enforcer in the Nordica line.

He also said I'd probably love the Watea 94s or 101s ... but he didn't have them in his shop. "Go to the mountains...."

So ... here's my list so-far:

Dynastar
Pro Rider

Blizzard
Titan Pro 193
Titan Nine 188

Fischer
RX Big Heat 184
Watea 94, 101

Nordica
Enforcer

Atomic
Nomad Crimson

Elan
Magfire 14 184


Oh! "P.S." My son liked his T9s ... but seemed to really believe I might like them more. (He had Demo Bindings on them; I was just too pooped to ski another run....)

- KK
post #53 of 67
Thread Starter 
Man! This is frustrating.

The shops I've dealt with all say I am seeking a "very out of the mainstream" ski. So far, I haven't found a shop with more than ONE of the skis on my list.

Very few of them have any of these skis to demo. When they *do* they don't have them in lengths over 176cm.

How the heck am I supposed to choose when I've only skied ONE ski on my list? ARRrrgh!!!

(This angst has just been aggravated by discovering Phil's "Construction -vs- Shape" thread. I'd really like to demo two or three of these on my list before I "bite the bullet" and buy them....)

- KK
post #54 of 67
you're in colorado and the guy at the shop said "out of the mainstream?"

Personally, I believe demoing is overrated. It's nice to have the opportunity and all, but I wouldn't sweat a ski purchase too much. It's pretty hard to go wrong these days. (unless you go for something really out-of-the-mainstream.) Many skis take more than a day to learn anyway. although- one run can be enough to convince a person that a ski sucks. Heck, I hated my gotamas my first day on them back in 2004. I was even laughed at by people at Kirkwood. if you can believe it.

I believe all the skis on your list are wood and all are of reputable manufacturers. Shape and flex should be your top concerns before phil's "construction vs shape" thread.

Besides, by the time you (the procastinator) gets off his bum and actually purchases this ever-so-important purchase, the '09's will be out and you'll want a new ski anyway.
post #55 of 67
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Originally Posted by samurai View Post
Personally, I believe demoing is overrated. It's nice to have the opportunity and all, but I wouldn't sweat a ski purchase too much. It's pretty hard to go wrong these days. (unless you go for something really out-of-the-mainstream.) Many skis take more than a day to learn anyway. although- one run can be enough to convince a person that a ski sucks.
I don't agree. I planned to ski two runs with each ski at the Demo Day. Only twice did I abbreviate that ... because I knew right away "these ain't it."

Only the Pro Riders got more than two runs. And *they* qualified for the half-mile hike from the top of the top lift to the new bowl. (That hike -- in powder -- was NOT easy.)

I'm not trying to completely make the decision with the demo process. I do expect to narrow my list to "Any of these will do" skis. (I honestly believe I'd have "passed" on my 9Xs if I'd demoed them first. They simply are not as stable at high cruising speeds as I'd like. But I've skied them for three years....)

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Besides, by the time you (the procastinator) gets off his bum and actually purchases this ever-so-important purchase, the '09's will be out and you'll want a new ski anyway.
Here, you've got me wrong. I skied my Red Sleds for 11 years. I'm expecting the next skis I buy to last 6+ years. That's my excuse for my ... "deliberation" (not "procrastination").

I do appreciate everyone's input, though. Thanks.

- KK
post #56 of 67
fair enough.













Hellcat.
post #57 of 67
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Heh-heh! Maybe I laid the guilt trip on my son a bit too much ... but it paid-off.

He's been keeping his eyes open for some T9s for me. (He likes his so much, he wants me to enjoy them too.)

He e-mailed me with a sweet deal he found. I called. The deal was real. My skis are ordered....

Wa-hoo!!!

- KK
post #58 of 67
don't ignore the Stocklis!
post #59 of 67
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Originally Posted by Highway Star View Post
Meh....seriously dude, if you're that size and actually a level 9 skier, all those skis are not going to be enough for you, except for the titan 9 in a 188.
HUH?? Have you been on the Magfire 14?? : They don't get much more burly than that.

You might want to try the Mag 14 (I see you have it on your list), as it is a hella-powerful ski. It reminds me of the Atomic M:EX, but seems to be a more versatile, nicer riding ski. I need to put more time in on mine, but minus the fact that they will stretch the bones in my lower legs, I think they're going to be a GREAT ski.

Another one you may want to try is the Rossi Zenith Z9 or Z11 Mutix. I'd really like to demo the Mutix just for fun. I used the Z9 for an entire week out West last year -- I had also brought the M:EX's too, but didn't take to them as they weren't a good tree ski for me -- and the Z9's performed as well as I could hope in all but the deepest chop. I think the Z11 is like the Z9, but built up a little more, as well as having a bit more waist to them. I don't really buy into the whole "changeable arms" thing, but otherwise, this ski looks VERY intriguing.
post #60 of 67
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Originally Posted by axebiker View Post
HUH?? Have you been on the Magfire 14?? : They don't get much more burly than that.

You might want to try the Mag 14 (I see you have it on your list), as it is a hella-powerful ski. It reminds me of the Atomic M:EX, but seems to be a more versatile, nicer riding ski. I need to put more time in on mine, but minus the fact that they will stretch the bones in my lower legs, I think they're going to be a GREAT ski.
I'll second this. I'm 39, about 5'11", 195 lbs (quickly losing weight). I'm a solid 8-9 who can get aggressive and ski nearly anything.

I only have one day on my Mag 14s, but love their power. I spent a day mixing it up between crud, windpack, groomed, steeps. Basically I skied everything but deep powder, and I was impressed with the ski in every scenario. I should mention that I'm on the 176.

As mentioned in other reviews, its only weakness for me is that it's not super quick edge to edge. I came from a Volant PowerKarve, though, so I'm used to it and the weight. Otherwise I love it as an all-conditions ski, and it does GREAT at speed.

I'm thinking of adding a lighter, more forgiving ski in to the mix. Something like a Watea 84 since there are good deals out there. My main use would be soft-snow days and skiing backwards in front of my kids as they learn.
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