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post #31 of 42
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Would we be wrong in assuming you're generally a very happy person?
Yup! And thanks for noticing I'm happier than normal because I'm off for a week of skiing on thuesday, and I can't wait
post #32 of 42
tdk6,

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Counteracting is turning your upper body in the opposite direction your skis are turning. You rotate your torso arround your spine. It increases edge angles and ski grip and helps you balance through out the turn. I think the counteracting consept sounds a million times easier than your description of probably the same thing. It is a movement and its easy to do.
What you are describing is not skiing into a copuntered position, it is meerly turning the upper torso and hip to face down the hill which actually reduces edge angle toward the end of the turn and it can also cause the hip to fall back behind the feet, a very bad place to be just before making a transition.

A strong inside half is caused by using diagional directional movements, In a turn to the right, The right theigh, hip, chest, and sholder move in that direction first (much like an open field runner making a dirction change. This is very different than
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Counteracting is turning your upper body in the opposite direction your skis are turning. You rotate your torso arround your spine.
. In skiing into a countered position, you are not rotating your torso around your spine or turning your upper body the opposite direction you are turning. It is moving the direction you are turning.

Do some research on the anotomy of the human body in dynamic motion. Maybe then you will understand the concept of moving into a countered position.

RW
post #33 of 42
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Wasn't the point just, that my shoulders should be the same hight, hence I should not bring all of my body down to the turn, only my legs..?
post #34 of 42
Kasper,

Have a wonderfull holiday.

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Wasn't the point just, that my shoulders should be the same hight, hence I should not bring all of my body down to the turn, only my legs..?
The termonology was very confusing and it was trying to describe two different movements. When doing more carved turns, to get more edge angle, you need to move your hips more inside the turn, but to stay balanced between your skis, you need to keep your sholders level with the horizon. Don't worry too much about keeping your upper body facing directly down the hill.

RW
post #35 of 42
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What you are describing is not skiing into a copuntered position, it is meerly turning the upper torso and hip to face down the hill which actually reduces edge angle toward the end of the turn and it can also cause the hip to fall back behind the feet, a very bad place to be just before making a transition.
You are right, Im not describing how you ski into counter. Im describing how you deliberetly counter. Its a movement. And it is not turning the upper torso and hip to face down the hill, its facing upper torso and hip to face towards the outside of the turn. It really has no connection to what is uphill or downhill. And you are totally wrong, it increases edge angle whenever it is performed and can be used to stear carved turns with no other movement. Ever seen a DH, SG or GS racer tucked low swinging their butt sideways to turn on flat parts. That is counter. You are right, it can cause the hip to fall back behind the feet if not performed correctly but so can skiing. So if you want to avoid your hips falling back behind your feet my suggestion to you is to stop skiing.

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A strong inside half is caused by using diagional directional movements, In a turn to the right, The right theigh, hip, chest, and sholder move in that direction first (much like an open field runner making a dirction change. This is very different than .

In skiing into a countered position, you are not rotating your torso around your spine or turning your upper body the opposite direction you are turning. It is moving the direction you are turning.
This here makes absolutely no sence to me, narda! No wonder GrooK is confused.... Im a pro and I have no clue to what this means.... How far from easy to understand ski instruction are you handing GrooK? He should get his money back!

Congrats on your excellent knowledge of the anatomy of the human body in dynamic motion... now throw all that in the trash can and start talking about regular downhill skiing.
post #36 of 42
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The termonology was very confusing and it was trying to describe two different movements.
Mildly put....

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When doing more carved turns, to get more edge angle, you need to move your hips more inside the turn, but to stay balanced between your skis, you need to keep your sholders level with the horizon.
You are explaining how to angulate. Is that so hard to spell out in plain old english?

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Don't worry too much about keeping your upper body facing directly down the hill.
Strange advice since its one of the core movements in skiing.

Sorry CoorK but you are beeing handed confusing and sometimes even completely opposite advice here. My reccomendation to you is to get the book I told you about earlier because its only 20 bucks or so including a DVD and there everything you need to know is explained loud and clear.
post #37 of 42
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Sorry CoorK but you are beeing handed confusing and sometimes even completely opposite advice here. My reccomendation to you is to get the book I told you about earlier because its only 20 bucks or so including a DVD and there everything you need to know is explained loud and clear.
Yeah, think I'll get that book But I can't get it before I leave It is somewhat impossible to order from Denmark.. So I'll just film me skiing, and use the book in last week of february.. My vids will be uploaded for you to analyse
post #38 of 42
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Yeah, think I'll get that book But I can't get it before I leave It is somewhat impossible to order from Denmark.. So I'll just film me skiing, and use the book in last week of february.. My vids will be uploaded for you to analyse
I see, you are from denemark . Well, you gotta do without the book for now but its easy to order via the net. Thats what I did. And lots of books once your are at it . When are you leaving and were are you going?
post #39 of 42
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Yup! And thanks for noticing I'm happier than normal because I'm off for a week of skiing on thuesday, and I can't wait
Good to see somebody around here is happy.

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Wasn't the point just, that my shoulders should be the same hight, hence I should not bring all of my body down to the turn, only my legs..?
Yep, that's a pretty good synopsis.

I think you have the idea. It's about keeping balance on your outside ski,,, that's why you do that. The more the body falls into the turn with the legs, the more your weight will move to your inside ski. Not generally a great thing to happen. It's the concept all those $20 terms (angulation, counter, counterbalance, counteracting) you've been reading are aimed at, and employing them allow you to do the thing you said above in the quote.

Listen,,, seeing you can't get the book tdk6 suggested before you ski,,, if you have any specific residual questions after reading the suggestions from the guys here so far, I'd be happy to try providing you with another take on them. Probably wouldn't say different things, but might say similar things differently. Sometimes that helps.
post #40 of 42
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I see, you are from denemark . Well, you gotta do without the book for now but its easy to order via the net. Thats what I did. And lots of books once your are at it . When are you leaving and were are you going?
Leaving this Thursday for a week to Garmisch Partenkirchen - not the most challenging area, but at least it has snow and a nice town
post #41 of 42
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Leaving this Thursday for a week to Garmisch Partenkirchen - not the most challenging area, but at least it has snow and a nice town
Wow, have a nice trip. Ive never been there but nothing beats a week in the alps.
post #42 of 42
tdk6,

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This here makes absolutely no sence to me, narda! No wonder GrooK is confused.... Im a pro and I have no clue to what this means.... How far from easy to understand ski instruction are you handing GrooK? He should get his money back!

Congrats on your excellent knowledge of the anatomy of the human body in dynamic motion... now throw all that in the trash can and start talking about regular downhill skiing.
Thanks for showing how ignorant you are

RW
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