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Where have all the moguls gone?

post #1 of 52
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In the last few seasons I have noticed that there are a lot of slopes that used to get heavily mogulled are now turning into a more consistent choppy surface instead of consistent (or not so consistent) moguls.

My hypothesis for this is that back in the day of straight skinny skis, short turns were the only option in fresh snow. But these days with fat skis, carving skis (and snowboards) far more people are doing long turns in powder and not following anyone elses lines. So if you don't have people doing short turns in the same place then moguls never form.

Are moguls a result of bad skis in good snow, soon to go the way of the dinosaurs and ski ballet?
post #2 of 52
IMO, the "average" skier (not the typical Bear) hates moguls and many ski areas try to keep them groomed down to avoid complaints at the service desk.
post #3 of 52
id say its a combo of how big grooming has become at most resorts and the different shape of snowboarding turns. however, usually there is at least one run that they dont ever groom that has big ol vw bumps and i doubt youll see too many snowboards on em. where i ski, vail, highline would be the perfect example.
post #4 of 52
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Originally Posted by kiwiski View Post
Are moguls a result of bad skis in good snow, soon to go the way of the dinosaurs and ski ballet?
No.
post #5 of 52
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Originally Posted by kiwiski View Post
In the last few seasons I have noticed that there are a lot of slopes that used to get heavily mogulled are now turning into a more consistent choppy surface instead of consistent (or not so consistent) moguls.
Huh
I'm glad I don't ski where you do.

If your observations and/or hypothesis are valid, it's a sad direction for our resorts to be going. At least as far as I'm concerned.
post #6 of 52
Two areas where I worked in PA, one had a "no mogul" policy and it was strictly enforced. And the area owner from office on high doth proclaim:

"As thy moguls shall begin to arise, dispatch the groomers to smite them downeth"

The other area did allow about 40 yards of one trail to bump up ..... period ... that was it!

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post #7 of 52
We're hording them in Montana. If you want to ski moguls head here.
post #8 of 52
We rustled some of your moguls and herded them down to Mary Jane. I think they are currently on Outhouse.
post #9 of 52
THANKFULLY ski ballet has vanished but I'm not ready to put moguls on the endangered species list....
If you ski the right mountains good bumps are still plentiful. I hear a lot of people complain about today's bumps but I think some people just like to compalin. These same people whine about it being too warm, too cold, too icy, the snow's too heavy, it's too windy, the visibility sucks...and my favorite whine: "I took out the wrong pair of skis for today's conditions"
Oh you poor baby..how will you ever make it down the hill?
..I find moguls just as much fun to ski now as back in the good 'ole straight ski days and don't find that the shaped vs straight skis or today's different bump configurations make a difference in the fun factor.
post #10 of 52
Yeah, but even winter park mj is taking down moguls. I remember like 5 years ago when I was in 7th grade, I heard a bunch of oldtimers talking about how they had taken half of drunk frenchman and made it into a groomer. I don't really know much, but I was in the inpression that Mj was kind of a mini mogul capital. Is any of the above true?

Oh, Outhouse definately has more than enough moguls on there. That was definately the longest mogul run I have done.
post #11 of 52
I have several used moguls that Breckenridge was selling off. They are the older style mogul made for skiers. They have upgraded to the skier/rider style mogul now and sold off their stock. They are a good quality polystyrene mogul with some typical scratches, but in good shape. I would be happy to send them to you for the cost of shipping and a six-pack.
post #12 of 52

bumps?

there are pleanty of bumps at Mt. Snow in Vt.

Operations call them "natural trails". At times, they are just one big PIA.

At other times, the joy of life living!

All sorts of snow sliders use them, so bumps are not "equipment dependent".

Bumps are my friends


CalG
post #13 of 52
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Originally Posted by jclay2 View Post
Yeah, but even winter park mj is taking down moguls. I remember like 5 years ago when I was in 7th grade, I heard a bunch of oldtimers talking about how they had taken half of drunk frenchman and made it into a groomer. I don't really know much, but I was in the inpression that Mj was kind of a mini mogul capital. Is any of the above true?

Oh, Outhouse definately has more than enough moguls on there. That was definately the longest mogul run I have done.
Oh, my! I guess I'm one of those old-timers. Haven't been to WP/MJ in a long time but back in the day it was a bump-fest! That was one of the best parts of going there because you knew it would be bumped out everywhere. Jeez, I guess they have to cater to the gapers but I'm sad to hear they don't let it get like that anymore.:
post #14 of 52
Not to fret. Mary Jane is still a bumpfest and there are plenty of bumps on the WP side as well. They have experimented with grooming half of Outhouse (with really poor results IMO) and maybe some others at one time or another but it's still pretty much wall to wall
post #15 of 52
http://www.mogulskiing.net/mogul_resorts.html -- That's where they are.

Not sure where you're located, but bumps are still pretty popular at many locations across the nation. In fact, I've seen the opposite trend at some areas (as in... they're leaving additional mogul terrain available now).

Fact of the matter is, as long as people ski (and as long as there is snow), there will be moguls. Maybe not at Tussey Mountain, PA anymore, or at Hidden Valley, NJ... but they're out in full force at Winter Park, Hunter Mountain, Sugarbush, MRG, Steamboat, Heavenly, Mammoth, Whistler/Blackcomb, and plenty of other areas.

Copper had about 15 bump runs open today. They weren't all perfect zippers, but they were decent bumps nonetheless.

Check it out:



post #16 of 52
Remember when an expert skiers badge of honor was ripping down a choppy, rutted-out mogul line, tails slapping back and fourth and never making a real turn... right under some chairlift? Thank god those days are over!
It's a combo of gear changing, technique changing, and skiers finally waking up to the fact that bumps just slow you down and force you to ski like the hundred dudes that pounded that line in before you got there.
Bumps are artificial! Just like a groomer or the terrain park!
post #17 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Remember when an expert skiers badge of honor was ripping down a choppy, rutted-out mogul line, tails slapping back and fourth and never making a real turn... right under some chairlift? Thank god those days are over!
It's a combo of gear changing, technique changing, and skiers finally waking up to the fact that bumps just slow you down and force you to ski like the hundred dudes that pounded that line in before you got there.
Bumps are artificial! Just like a groomer or the terrain park!
I think not. Bumps are natural... they are a product of skiing. They are not (barring comp courses) machine-made.

I'd be happy to give you a bump lesson if that's why you don't like them. Often times, it's only the people who can't handle them that dis them (just pickin' on ya)
post #18 of 52
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Originally Posted by BushMogulMaster View Post
I think not. Bumps are natural... they are a product of skiing. They are not (barring comp courses) machine-made.

I'd be happy to give you a bump lesson if that's why you don't like them. Often times, it's only the people who can't handle them that dis them (just pickin' on ya)
Don't ASSume that I struggle in moguls. I competed on the northeastern amateur mogul tour in my teens, coached two local competitive freestyle teams, and had quite a rep as a bump basher... until I started opening up my mind (and my turns) and got a taste for backcountry cliffs and untouched powder.
And yes, bumps are artificial. They do not naturally appear anywhere in nature... just under chairlifts!!
post #19 of 52
P.S.- If mogul skiing isn't dying then why are there virtually no mogul specific skis even made anymore?
post #20 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
P.S.- If mogul skiing isn't dying then why are there virtually no mogul specific skis even made anymore?
K2 Mamba (basically new topsheet on CaBrawler, with old Mamba name), Volkl Rebellion, Hart F17 (yep... they're making them again), Head Madtrix Moguls, Rossi Scratch Mogul, ID One, to name the biggies.

Guess I'm just not seeing this trend that you see.
post #21 of 52
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Originally Posted by DropCliffsNotBombs View Post
Don't ASSume that I struggle in moguls.
Hence the wink in my post. Don't ASSume I was being serious and questioning your abilities.
post #22 of 52
I am saying that being able to rip a bump line is still an ability that any expert skier should have. Bump skills translate well to all mountain skiing, and any 3-D skiing condition, powder, crud, etc...
post #23 of 52
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
Twisters.
Last I heard, Dynastar was discontinuing the Twister. Not sure if they're replacing it with a new bump ski or not.
post #24 of 52
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Originally Posted by BushMogulMaster View Post
Last I heard, Dynastar was discontinuing the Twister. Not sure if they're replacing it with a new bump ski or not.
I edited my post when realized they were disc. Weak sauce I know.
post #25 of 52
I just do not understand why anyone would want to ski moguls. Anyplace with fewer bumps and more clean off piste &/or clean groomers gets a in my book.

As far as I'm concerned the only reason to ski them is to get to or from decent skiing. Obviously others have different opinions, but I have no desire to ski the detritus of other skiers. I understand fresh off piste. I understand groomers. But in my book, bumps are just an indicator that there have been too many skiers on too little snow. Every time I see an ad (esp for CO resorts) that shows major bump fields I just scratch my head. They sure aren't marketing to people like me...
post #26 of 52
I wish we still had moguls here. When I was a kid, Bachelor had 5 or 6 runs that were nice mogul fields. Not like the stuff I have seen at other areas that are steeper, but moguls nonetheless. Now, there is one little strip at the edge of a long groomer (the bumps never get big, since most everyone skis the groomer instead) and 2 other 100m-long pitches. That is it, on a huge mountain with 10 chairs and at least 70 runs! I am hoping to learn how to ski moguls, but good luck learning locally!

I am going to request that they leave a couple of runs ungroomed. The only 2 runs I know of on the mountain that are currently ungroomed for the season are in remote areas, so bumps never build up there. My "introduction" to moguls was last year at Squaw on KT-22. I had a blast!
post #27 of 52
Bumps will be cool again as soon as daffy-twister-spreads(a triple!) become cool again!

Wait a minute....
post #28 of 52
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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post
As far as I'm concerned the only reason to ski them is to get to or from decent skiing.
Reverse that theory 100%, and you have my point of view. For me, the only reason (aside from training) to ski groomers is to get to bumps.

dropcliffs... you just sound condescending. Whatever. To each his own.

Dawgcatching: http://www.mogulskiing.net/mogul_ski...que_guide.html. And if you're ever in Summit County, CO or in VT (yeah, they're both pretty far from Bachelor, but you never know!), drop me a PM and I'll be happy to hook up and give you some bump pointers.
post #29 of 52
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I just do not understand why anyone would want to ski moguls. Anyplace with fewer bumps and more clean off piste &/or clean groomers gets a in my book.
That's because you are old and weak and you watch too much golf on TV. You should stop that. You should divorce your wife, bang your secretary and buy a red sports car.... then you would like the bumps.

I'm just saying....

I crack myself up. I think I just described myself!
post #30 of 52
I just dont have the right rhythm to ski bumps correctly. And i'd be happy to never see one again. On that note, I have noticed far few bump runs in the past 10 years or so. Seems like most resorts let a few runs bump up, but groom out the rest. Fine with me : )
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