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Does this look right (wax)

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I just got my skis back from a wax& sharpening i don't know if this is normal certainly firs time i have seen it the wax is in lups some spots missed and some areas can be scraped off with my finger nail all the white blobs you see in the pics is max that can be scraped off with my fingernail

is this normal was it worth the 28$? (please see pics below)

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=729oshy&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6yzitc7&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=82261xz&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=89gkwuh&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6jumm50&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6u4y6gz&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6xl14bn&s=1

Steven
post #2 of 24
It looks like it will work fine, except in wet heavy snow.

You can make it look pretty by scraping some more, then brushing.

For $28 I wonder how good the sharpening was?
post #3 of 24
Just scrape them and rub with one of those green dish scrubbers. There is just excess wax on the bases. You probably won't even notice.
post #4 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
I just got my skis back from a wax& sharpening i don't know if this is normal certainly firs time i have seen it the wax is in lups some spots missed and some areas can be scraped off with my finger nail all the white blobs you see in the pics is max that can be scraped off with my fingernail

is this normal was it worth the 28$? (please see pics below)

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=729oshy&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6yzitc7&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=82261xz&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=89gkwuh&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6jumm50&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6u4y6gz&s=1
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=6xl14bn&s=1

Steven
Well let's do the math. ski days x $28 every 2 days OR invest in your own tuning equip and do a job that you are happy with every time.
post #5 of 24
If the shop is close, take them back and see what they say.

At least call them and tell them what you think.

I guess you could say, you got extra wax for your money.


I agree they will be fine, but they should be buffed better then that. If you take them back, the shop may offer to fix them and give you a freebee next time.

Also think about doing your own tuning. Once you learn how, you'll have a hard time letting any shop touch them.

You really don't need perfect bases. My everyday ski has over 90 days on them and have been in the shop only one time.
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Ok well what is needed to do my own sharpeneing and waxing how much do i need in equipment i mean i have a bench grinder but i dont think thats a good idea.. any sites i should read??
post #7 of 24
post #8 of 24
There is a current Epicski auction that you might be interested in.



Quote:
Everything Kit Basic, Ski Kit (1201)+ Vise(1800)+ Iron(1401)+ Nylon Brush(1415)+ 150g Wax(221)


Ski Man Hobby vise is very easy to use for tuning all types and shapes of skis. Features sturdy, high-tensile aluminum vise and is light and easy to transport. The new holding system keeps the ski secure for base and side edge work. Includes two brake retainers (1704).

Temperature adjustable 800 W wax iron with thick sole plate. Fine-tuned numbered temperature adjustment dial starts from below 100 C / 212 F and rises to 210 C / 410 F. Unique curved plate to "cup" wax as you iron and prevent wax loss. Base plate measures 5.5 inches x 3.5 inches and is 0.5 inches thick. Fine tuned thermostat reduces temperature fluctuations and a thick metal base holds heat to prevent damage during waxing. 115 volts, 800 watts. To operate this iron on 230 volts (Europe or other countries), you will need to use a voltage converter (not included). Instructions included.

Nylon brush for cleaning wax out of structure and the first step to polishing base. Brush measures 3 in. x 5 in.

All Temperature Hydrocarbon Wax, 150 g

Quality Tuning Kit includes:
Pocket II Racing Base & Edge Beveler for 88° / 89° side & 89° base edge angles;
40 g bar of All Temperature Wax;
Sharp/Rigid Plexiglass Wax Scraper (most kits have cheap plastic ones);
Metal Scraper;
Full-Size Gummi Stone;
Large Edge Stone (twice the length of most kit stones);
File Cleaning Brush;
Ski Brake Retainer;
Clear P-Tex;
Black P-Tex;
all in a zippered Cordura pouch with lots of pockets.


Dr. D was cool enough to offer up a tuning kit of his own. This kit has a $170.00 (shipped) value. Racewax.com

Bidding will start at a low $40.00 and auction will conclude 12/18 at 8:54 PM EST. If you need it to you for a Christmas present, please figure getting an extra $10.00 to Dr. D to cover special shipping, otherwise you should receive it by New Years.
post #9 of 24
I'm kind of wondering what the hell these circles are from It almost looks like a clothes iron was used, which I consider ok for at home jobs but I would never pay money for that.



Other then that, as others have said, just brush/scrape down the excess wax. The only bad spots seem to be around the tip.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by krp8128 View Post
I'm kind of wondering what the hell these circles are from It almost looks like a clothes iron was used, which I consider ok for at home jobs but I would never pay money for that.



Other then that, as others have said, just brush/scrape down the excess wax. The only bad spots seem to be around the tip.

Probably from sitting, base down, on top of the vise while removing excess wax from the topsheets/sidewalls...My vises will leave the same marks, so I remove any drippings from the topsheets/sidewalls before I scrape/brush the bases.
post #11 of 24
Shows a little lack of pride in workmanship. Skis should be properly scraped and brushed after waxing. Makes me wonder how good a job they did on the sharpening too.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
So other than looking for the obvious burs and other deformaties is there anything i should look for as to when they sharpened?

(sorry for all the noob Q i can ski ok just never touched on the maintance part of thigns always jsut paid for it but im consedering starting to do my own now)

Steven
post #13 of 24
Where did you take these?
post #14 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
So other than looking for the obvious burs and other deformaties is there anything i should look for as to when they sharpened?

(sorry for all the noob Q i can ski ok just never touched on the maintance part of thigns always jsut paid for it but im consedering starting to do my own now)

Steven
Stand the skis up on there tails base up and drag your fingure nail across the edge. if you can feel the nail being shaved that good. When you get good at that you can use the tops of your fingers between the 2nd and 3rd knockles.

You just need to feel how sharp they are not cut yourself.

After a shop tuned the bases, should look like new skis.


For the person who has to remove wax from the sidewalls and tops of there skis, your using to much wax.
post #15 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ut_hucker View Post
Where did you take these?
Not sure what you mean but if your asking who did the waxing its a store called grand bazar.

http://www.grandbazar.ca/default2.asp

Quote:
Stand the skis up on there tails base up and drag your fingure nail across the edge. if you can feel the nail being shaved that good. When you get good at that you can use the tops of your fingers between the 2nd and 3rd knockles.

You just need to feel how sharp they are not cut yourself.

After a shop tuned the bases, should look like new skis.


For the person who has to remove wax from the sidewalls and tops of there skis, your using to much wax.
I will check this later today and see what it looks like...

Steven
post #16 of 24
Grand Bazar wow what a bazzar name. There's this shop in VT called Space Odyssey. Most of us don't go near that place.

I'd be leary of taking my skis there. Sorry. Isn't there a more professional shop around ?

Wow it's a hockey shop, you need to find a ski shop.


May be there a good shop, even the best shops put out a bad tune every now and then.

Check around this site, there's shop's listed as well as boot fitters. There should be one listed in your area.

Whereever you are ?
post #17 of 24
Thread Starter 
Im in Granby qc about an hours drive from montreal. The only other place i know of is ski bromont (ski hill) but they area far compare to that shop i went to them this time because they are literally down the street from me.

Do you have a link to the list of shops?

Steven
post #18 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
So other than looking for the obvious burs and other deformaties is there anything i should look for as to when they sharpened?

(sorry for all the noob Q i can ski ok just never touched on the maintance part of thigns always jsut paid for it but im consedering starting to do my own now)

Steven
I know that this tool is high tech and finger nails have been used for years, but I use this to check edge sharpness and it is quick and saves the nails.

SKIVISIONS TUNING STICK
Checking the sharpness of steel edges has long been a bit of a guessing game for most tuners. Shaving the face of your fingernail, or dragging the side of a pinkie finger across an edge doesn't provide consistently reliable or accurate feedback...unless maybe you're an ultra-experienced World Cup level technician.
This tuning stick helps resolve that. It's made of a special hard plastic that subtly communicates how sharp or dull your edges are. You hold it at a 45-degree angle to the edge and, bearing down with moderate pressure, simply slide and try to shave some stick material away. If the edge is sharp, you'll feel and hear a noticeable resistance and sound. If the edge is dull, the stick will not shave...but slide without much resistance or sound.
When you first get a tuning stick, try it on some edges you've ridden for a day or two. You'll be surprised how much duller they usually feel underfoot (due to greater wear from skier/rider weight and pressure) than at the tips and tails. Try it again after tuning and see the difference...it will be noticeable if you've tuned effectively. If you impart a sharper bevel angle underfoot than at the tips and tails, the stick will also detect this. Likewise, you'll also be able to hear and feel the difference between burred edges and deburred/polished edges.
The SkiVisions tuning stick is such a simple yet revealing tool that can give you invaluable tuning feedback.

Item #SVN-TS SkiVisions Tuning Stick: $4.95
Quantity:
Available at

http://www.tognar.com/deburr_polishi...nes_tools.html
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
Im in Granby qc about an hours drive from montreal. The only other place i know of is ski bromont (ski hill) but they area far compare to that shop i went to them this time because they are literally down the street from me.

Do you have a link to the list of shops?

Steven

That's south east of Montreal, I think we used drive thru there on our way to watch F1.

Not sure if this will help but: http://forums.epicski.com/forumdisplay.php?f=73

Do you ever ski in northern VT ?
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
....i mean i have a bench grinder but i dont think thats a good idea..
: : : : : : : You got my vote!
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well other than holding the stone by hand is there some sort of jig that can be used as im not very confident in holding it by hand...
post #22 of 24
www.tognar.com look for edge guides.
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity View Post
www.tognar.com look for edge guides.
this page http://www.tognar.com/bevel_edge_bas...owbo ard.html
scroll down to "side edge bevel guides", you need a clamp to hold the file or stone next to the guide. Get the guide that matches your edge angle. You shouldn't need to worry about base bevels, just side bevels.
post #24 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flying freak View Post
Im in Granby qc about an hours drive from montreal. The only other place i know of is ski bromont (ski hill) but they area far compare to that shop i went to them this time because they are literally down the street from me.

Do you have a link to the list of shops?

Steven
Try Boutique GS in Sutton.
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