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So is my toenail gonna fall off? (pic of purpleness)

post #1 of 20
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well after a ripping half day at sugarbush (pow was pretty damn fine towards the top), i removed my boot, and look what i found! is my toenail gonna pop off? what do i do about this (other than keep my nails shorter next time)???

sorry about the blurry pic...


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post #2 of 20
Probably not. You have a subungual hematoma. If it's uncomfortable, take a paper clip, unfold it, hold it over a flame until it gets hot (put on an oven mitt so you don't burn yourself), and CAREFULLY touch it to the top of the nail until you melt a small hole in the nail. You might have to warm it up a few times to go all the way thru the nail. This creates an opening to relieve the pressure of the hematoma. You're looking at at least one full year before the last bit of that grows out completely. Also, if you have athlete's foot, start vigorously treating it because trauma like that to the nail will often create an environment in the nail bed that predisposes to fungal toenail infections. IMHO.
post #3 of 20
Oh, and go get your boot fixed so it doesn't happen again!
post #4 of 20
The cure sound more painful than the disease! :
post #5 of 20
It's not too big a deal though if you do.

Just think - I had 6 of them fall off when I ran Boston in '96 . The podiatrist doc I went to to clean things a week or so later up put a towel over my foot and numbed it up before he used this medievel device to remove all the nail debris. You don't want it to get infected is the thing. He was used to dealing with this and had actually worked the race.

If you do lose it, you might want to do the same if it tears like mine did. A little lambswool I think it's called and you just roll it up to a fine thread and wedge it underneath so that when the nail grows back (takes a while) it doesn't get ingrown and cause an issue. It keeps it from growing down into the bed. Anyway, keep it clean too.
post #6 of 20
Both of these fell off. Took almost a year to get back to "normal".



I've only had one such experience in 60-odd years of skiing, but I've had several finger/thumb occurrences, including some that made the digit very tender. I've never done the nail drilling procedure, but I can imagine the blood under the toenail causing sufficient distress to make it necessary.
post #7 of 20
One of the possible causes of this is not having your foot securely cinched in the second and third buckle area. Even a perfectly fitted boot can (will) cause black toe under these circumstances.
post #8 of 20
Could be a boot that doesn't fit or skiing while in the "back seat" too much or a combination of both.

My toe looked like that last summer and my nail is coming off now.
post #9 of 20
Hmm, I had two that looked like that last year, one fell off, one didn't. It didn't hurt at all when the one fell off, I just made sure that when it grew back I messed with it weekly to insure it didn't grow back as an ingrown.

My issue that caused it was backseat/boots that were too big and packed out too much. Problem was fixed by getting custom footbeds and some major tweaking. Then the problem was that when I cranked down on 2nd and 3rd buckles my high arch started getting bruised.

I've gotten new boots, so we'll see how it goes this year... between climbing shoes and ski boots my feet look like a massacre anyway.
post #10 of 20
I bet it will fall off, despite DoogieDoc's optimism. I've had 100% of my cases of black toe result in a lost nail. Unfortunately, this circumstance is generally the way that one figures out that A: you were in the back seat and B: that your boot fit is suboptimal (in my case it is generally a sign that I've packed out the liners enough that it is time for new ones). The blood separates the nail from the nailbed, so it almost always falls off. The paper clip/needle through the nail trick is tremendously effective but really only necessary to relieve quite severe pain. I had a bad case of bilateral toe bang on the second day of a week trip at Jackson last year and my trip was saved by draining the hematomas. Both nails came off, and are nearly regrown now.
post #11 of 20
It's gone. 2-3 months, but it's gone.
post #12 of 20
NE1 is correct! I used to get purple toes at the end of every season. The problem was NOT that I had my boots too tight, but that I didn't have them tight ENOUGH and I was picking my big toe up in the boot and pushing against the top. It took me about three seasons to figure that out. Now I make sure I have the Buckles tightened down so my toes can't move but are not so tight that I'm cutting off the circulation. Last year was the FIRST year I didn't lose BOTH nails off my big toes!
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by doogiedoc View Post
Probably not. You have a subungual hematoma. If it's uncomfortable, take a paper clip, unfold it, hold it over a flame until it gets hot (put on an oven mitt so you don't burn yourself), and CAREFULLY touch it to the top of the nail until you melt a small hole in the nail. You might have to warm it up a few times to go all the way thru the nail. This creates an opening to relieve the pressure of the hematoma. ...
I dropped the metal insert to a big doggie door on my toe -- guillotine-like. It sucked. My toe did this, I went to the doctor to see what to do, and she did the piercing thing. She was young, and obviously didn't want to do it, and screamed a little when the blood squirted out. It was pretty funny. But it felt much MUCH better.
post #14 of 20
I also think it will fall off. But, its not likely to just "fall off." They usually Start to either peel back slowly or get trimmed off by you.

If you do the heated paperclip trick for blood trapped beneath the nail. Watch out because it will squirt out. But you probably would have done this already, because the pressure hurts like a SOB.

I've lost numerous toenails. From early frostbite, boot bang, and once (and most painfull) I flipped a kayak over on it in the surf. Seperated the nail from the bed at a 90degree angle. Had to cut it off myself with swiss army knife sissors.:
post #15 of 20
Should we start a poll? How many votes that it will fall/ peel off, and how many that it'll stay on...?
post #16 of 20
I agree with the put a hole in your nail to relieve the pressure suggestion. We do this in the construction industry all the time, though usually with a cordless drill and a fine drill bit, or a screw. Sometimes a pin under the nail from the end of the toe will work as well. Painful, yes but it sure does feel better than having a throbbing toe all day.
post #17 of 20

The excact same happened to my toenail, I went walking for 12 miles without proper walking shoes or socks and my toenail on my little toe went a purple-ish black colour (painful). Then my toe randomly fell of without any pain and beneath it is a very thin new toenail. So don't worry even if it does fall of, it'll grow back

post #18 of 20


Eeesh.     Some of you guys' feet , I'm not surprised the toenails decided to give notice and leave early.   

 

 

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Originally Posted by Sorrowwish93 View Post

The excact same happened to my toenail, I went walking for 12 miles without proper walking shoes or socks and my toenail on my little toe went a purple-ish black colour (painful). Then my toe randomly fell of without any pain and beneath it is a very thin new toenail. So don't worry even if it does fall of, it'll grow back



I think it has probably done what it was going to do by now.      Welcome to the forums, though.

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by Sorrowwish93 View Post

The excact same happened to my toenail, I went walking for 12 miles without proper walking shoes or socks and my toenail on my little toe went a purple-ish black colour (painful). Then my toe randomly fell of without any pain and beneath it is a very thin new toenail. So don't worry even if it does fall of, it'll grow back



My black toe nail is nearly back to normal after ending my ski season in May. I was hoping it would be healed in time for a fresh season, but it's going to be close...

 

Getting new boots (better ankle fit) this year. wink.gif

post #20 of 20

I used to go through a set of toenails every season.  Then I got boots that fit and took enough lessons to get me skiing parts of my foot that weren't heels.

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