Originally Posted by DeadMoney
I mean really! I just don't see the "put up with pain - unbuckle after every run - cold feet - yada, yada, yada, blah, blah, blah"....
If you were to try the "perfect fit" boot that you could leave alone and stay in all day without touching, I seriously doubt your skiing would suffer or your feel would be compromised. I really think there is a high percentage of skiers riding in painful (even if it's just on the chair), cold, just under sized boots, because they think they must.
Few of us are world class. Few of us suffer, from a 0.0001% change in performance. Many just have the knowledge and a fear of not doing what is considered right or best. ...
I'm saying: "There is not a turn, move, trick, save, etc. that you would/could make in your painful-unbuckle after each run-I love 'em but my feet freeze-etc. boots that you could/would not make in something just a bit more tolerable.
I actually agree with most of what DeadMoney says, but I feel the need to clarify …edit: sorry, changed from DeadMonkey to DeadMoney ... no offense intended.How tight are your boots?
When I stated “if you're not grinding or bending plastic the boots are just too damn big” I didn’t mean “you’re” so much as “I’m”. I certainly didn’t mean to imply that I believe everyone should subscribe to that same philosophy.
However, I didn’t just wake up one day and say “hey I’ve gotta have the most obnoxious and potentially physically harmful boot fit I can get my foot in”. No, I spent YEARS
looking for the most obnoxious and potentially physically harmful boot fit …
Okay seriously – I’ve been bolting, foaming, grinding and blowing out my own shells for the last 20 years. I also worked several years in ski shops tuning skis and fitting boots. I don’t claim to be an expert boot-fitter, but I’m no neophyte.
My personal boot fit philosophy was a natural progression that started with bolting my own boots as a young racer to make them stiffer, which led to adding to the liners to make them tighter, which led to plugs with foam liners.
Once I got on plugs there was no going back, but plugs were only made up to size 28 … so as my foot grew I had to do more and more work just to get my foot in them. I was always working on my boots.
Like many racers I took boot fitting to the extreme – mostly because my foot kept growing but the shell didn’t. It finally got to the point where I started to have problems – I remember joking that eventually my feet would mutate to fit the shell rather than the other way around … and they actually did a bit. Lesson learned.
I don’t ski in plugs anymore, but I still buy shells that need to be punched out, and use foam liners. They are always unbuckled unless I’m actually skiing down the hill, but I also never have to ‘crank them down’. They are not at all uncomfortable or painful - I ski & climb all day in them.
I consider boots that are just slightly too big (out of box fit) to be more uncomfortable and intolerable. For me ‘comfy’ boots might feel great on the lift, but they’re torture when actually skiing.
I think the “.0001%” performance gain comment is off by just a little bit … it could be more than you’d think. I would argue there are many more skiers with boots that are too large than the other way around ... unfortunately it's cheaper, quicker and easier for a shop to sell a boot that is too big than to make one fit right.