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Arcmeister posts another gem

post #1 of 9
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From this thread in ask a ski pro:http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=62602

"......The biggie I see for you is your 'order of movement'.

You try to start your next turn with movements of the new outside foot/leg (first) before releasing your previous turn (second).
This then promots a domino effect of resorting to less efficient and less effictive compensating movments go get the turn done.

Where you will gain the most benifit is by focusing on learning to roll the new inside foot over to release the edge of the downhill ski first (ending the previous turn). Your habits are working against you on this so I advise that you seek some direct instruction to get guidance so you can be sucessful in aquiring this major movement change. Just trying to move that lead foot sooner will only result in a 'sooner second' but no true change in your order of movement, and ultimately limit your potential.

Order of movement is becoming recognised as a fundamental cornerstone of contemporary technique to take full advantage of modern shape skis.
Until you adopt this fundamental change, you could be limited to skiing with compensating movements of limited potential."

Anyone else think this is important and worth working on?
post #2 of 9
What is your goal?
post #3 of 9
And then he said this :

Right in with Kneales advice, actively release the extension tension of the downhill leg (shorten it) to release CM sooner to flow thru transition, and enable that foot to roll first. This is the opposite of keeping the downhill leg long and lengthening the uphill leg to match it in transition (huck over).

Have fun exploring.... arc
post #4 of 9
Roger is a bag of gems!

Just an observation:
"Releasing the extension tension of the downhill leg" works well from pivot slips to full arc to arc skiing and is a more contemporary way to change edges which causes the hips to move over the feet, facilitating an edge release and change.

In Roger's "order of movements" I believe releasing the extension tension comes as the first in the order of movements which triggers the release (second movement) and consequent edge change. In order to minimize or eliminate any A framing the downhill foot needs to lead the way with the tipping movements into the new turn. Focusing on this movement will certainly improve fluidity in our transitions and help maintain ski/snow contact by managing forces in the finish phase.

Some A framing may appear if the skier hangs onto the turn a bit longer as the "extension tension" is released and simultaneously prepares the new outside ski for engagement. A framing can be seen in many racing photo montage transitions. This functional A framing happens through transition/edge change rather than before, and many times in an unweighted state.
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by Carl R View Post
What is your goal?
Viral marketing, of course.
post #6 of 9
Originally Posted by MilesB View Post
Viral marketing, of course.

Yes, we have a bunch of great instructors here from several backgrounds who share their knowledge and love of the sport freely with us. We appreciate any marketing you'd like to do for us!
post #7 of 9
Originally Posted by MilesB View Post
Viral marketing, of course.
When I looked at the video and read your questions it wasn't clear to me what your aim was. Was it to ski a certain kind of turn? To carve? To please an instructor? To evolve just generally?
post #8 of 9
It just occurred to me that you probably wanted to know what MY goal was. My overall goal is general evolution. The four things I was specifically thinking about over the summer were the ones listed in the original thread, namely:

Functional Stance Width
Counter Balance

The turn type was described as a purposefully non-carved but still round turn (and therefor slower while still not using as much horizontal real-estate). For the items I was working on I should be able to do them equally well carving or not. Since that day I've been focusing more on the carved turns because it's easier to give myself feedback on those turns when video isn't handy.

post #9 of 9
LOL, thanks!
I wasn't paying enough attention to the names.
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