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post #31 of 46
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Actually, speed was one of my concerns with the Tornado's. I've read several reviews in which there were complaints about chattering tips, I also heard a couple complaints about edge hold. I think that's my dilemma, I want the forgiveness, edge hold and speed capability of the Z9's but I also want the liveliness and sportiness of the Tornado's.

Does anyone know if the Tornado's are meant to be skied long? I've heard conflicting suggestions. I was planning to purchase a 170 on either ski...
post #32 of 46
At your size, I would tend to go longer then 170 on the Salomon.

I'm 5'11" 190lbs and liked the Z9 in 162cm the 170 was a slug for me.

I would still point you to the Volkl AC30 or may be the AC20. The AC30 was a fun ski, the one I was on had just been tuned by the Volkl Rep, it was the best tuned ski I had ever been on. I just thought turn and they knew what I wanted. The next ski I got on was the Z11, awesome ski.

The point is you should demo the AC20 and may be the 30.
post #33 of 46
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Originally Posted by Alberto View Post
I demoed the Tornados last year and I must be one of the few who didn't like them (not awful, but no comparison to others in the category IMHO).
Alberto, What was it about the Tornado's that you didn't like?
post #34 of 46
It's hard to say why I didn't like the Tornados. It really came down to a sense of feel. I demo'd in common western conditions (softer snow, about 2 inches of fresh on previously groomed runs, moderate temperatures, active snowfall that day); I took them for about 5 runs, many of them on steeper pitches. In comparison with my Z9s, I found that the Tornados were less forgiving but also less fun and with less sense of being able to charge. To use Max's descriptive language from above, the Z9s really feel to me like they will do what ever I think about doing. The Tornados didn't feel like they had the same "head room" as the Z9s and yet I found the Z9 to be a more forgiving ski that will allow me to relax when I want to. I am a strong advanced skier, but I am certainly not an expert. For this season (third with the skis and I average 35 days a year), my wife has comandeered the Z9s because she tried some when her skis were having a tune last season. She is a cautious intermediate but is technically sound. I have never seen her grin like she did that day. Hence, I lost the ski (good thing I like to buy new ones!!!). When I first got my Z9s (and I was a relatively cautious skier then), they made me feel like a super hero. When you find a ski that makes you feel that way, keep it. Because of that experience, I strongly recommend demoing if you can. I'm a believer that skiers develop a preference for certain ski characteristics once they can try a range of products.

In the end, as I have noted previously, none of the skis you are considering are bad. I really do think that they each have a distinctly different feel and, for east coast ice, I don't think you can beat a Volkl. Truthfully though, if you were to ask me what my favorite skis are in the quiver, it's always the ones on my feet at the time. Consider price point, demo if you can, and take the plunge!
post #35 of 46
I wish I had experience on these modern skis, but I don't. However, I can perhaps give you a reference point for the RX8s. A few years ago I had the opportunity to compare RX8, to Rossi 9S Oversize (and 9X oversize) and Solomon Equipe SC. I'm not nearly as heavy as you are, but tend to ski fairly fast. Here's what I found.

The RX8 is the least forgiving of the three and had the best high speed performance, though I didn't get to take it to really high speeds (GPS about 45 mph tops IIRC). It would be my choice of these skis, but I'm quite used to unforgiving skis, an intermediate skier might not like them so much.

The 9S Oversize seemed the most forgiving, and also very quick all in all a very easy ski to ski on. It was however easy to overpower, so a little skill is required to get the most out of it. Being hamfisted (footed?) will result in not getting the amount of turn force you're looking for, but it's not as if a mistake will throw you on your rear.

The Equipe SC was lightning quick and though it could be knocked askew by bumps of crud, it was forgiving enough that you could just re-point it without taking a tumble. Most heavy folks don't like the Solomon skis because they are too easy to flex longitudinally. Probably you would fall into that category. They are easy to flex longitudinally, but also have good edge grip and torsional rigidity. NOTE: I'm talking about the EQUIPE, not the streetracer; the streetracers are crap imho.

Point being if you think you might like an RX8, but are a little intimidated you should look at the modern version of the 9S Oversize. Rossi makes a nice forgiving ski that probably has enough performance for you. Even though they call it a "race" ski on the web site, it's a pussy cat, not a panther.
post #36 of 46
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Originally Posted by Supra View Post
How do you find the RX8's ability to plow through crud and loose or built up snow? I certainly want a sporty ski but I don't want to compromise the ability to ski all day long...
I always thought it was great in these conditions, especially considering its relatively narrow width.
post #37 of 46
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Originally Posted by Buckwild View Post
I haven't skied the Tornado's specifically but have found for my wieght most Salomons are too soft and need to be skied in the longest lengths.
Just a note: the X-Wing line is nothing like any other Salomon ski ever made. Nothing. Light, lively, holds an edge, very nice ski! The narrower ones tend to have an issue at higher speeds IME, but for this level skier should be fine. I thought the Fury was a great ski!
post #38 of 46
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Originally Posted by Supra View Post
Actually, speed was one of my concerns with the Tornado's. I've read several reviews in which there were complaints about chattering tips, I also heard a couple complaints about edge hold. I think that's my dilemma, I want the forgiveness, edge hold and speed capability of the Z9's but I also want the liveliness and sportiness of the Tornado's.

Does anyone know if the Tornado's are meant to be skied long? I've heard conflicting suggestions. I was planning to purchase a 170 on either ski...
It depends on what you mean by "speed". As I recall (it's been a year since I skied them), they were quite nice up to 35mph or so. That's pretty fast for an advanced intermediate.
post #39 of 46
Thread Starter 
Do the Tornado's need to be skied long? Would I be okay in a 170?
post #40 of 46
You'll be fine.

SJ
post #41 of 46
I agree. The 170 is fine.
post #42 of 46
Thread Starter 
Question, I saw a pair of second hand (demo) Tornado's w/ Z10 bindings mounted directly to the ski instead of the Smartrak Prolink binding mount. Would this be an advisable set-up?

(New Tornado's come with Z12 bindings...)


post #43 of 46
I would think at your level that binding set up is fine.
post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by Supra View Post
Do the Tornado's need to be skied long? Would I be okay in a 170?
I spent a considerable amount of time on the Tornado's across almost every condition imaginable.

At 210 LB and 6ft 2 I would not buy the 170, once you progress even a bit it will not be enough ski or edge.

Buy the 178, it skies short, it makes real quick transitions and it can be thrown around easily, therefore the extra 8 cm isn't going to phase you at all.

The Tornado is a Intermediate to advanced intermediate ski. Great ski to take you from advanced beginer all the way to advanced intermediate. Easy on the body, fun, zippy, light, holds a fair edge at moderate speeds, makes long and short turns well.

It starts a turn weak but finishes nice and strong propelling you to the next turn.

It performed best in softer snow, in icy hard conditions it was tentative to hold an edge unless pressured and ridden just right, even still there are better ice skis out there. AC30 would be one.

It is and will do all mountain but it's best performance came on blue runs with soft groomed snow. there it was pleasure to ride them.

It has a speed limit. This is not a ski for going fast on, I found it became unstable and difficult to engage solid carve turns going fast, rather it was a jumbled affair of control at speed.

would not be a bad choice but I would consider the Volkl AC30 to take you to a higher performance level.
post #45 of 46
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Originally Posted by Supra View Post
Have you ever had a chance to ski the Cyclones? I wonder how they would be for general versatility...?

I skied on the Cyclones last week at Okemo and absolutely loved them! If I was going to have a one ski quiver, (Tried that several times!), it would be the Cyclone. The conditions I ski in are 95% hard, groomed, man made snow. The narrow waisted Cyclone excels in that. For the few days I see fresh snow, or end of the season crud, I would make the Cyclones work without any problem.
post #46 of 46
I am also a mid-intermediate NE skier and have looked at similar skis - see my post in the member reviews forum. I really liked the Rossi Z9 until I tried the Magfire 10. I thought the Rossi was awesome, but the Mag 10 is just a bit more stout, a bit more edge grippy (great english, I know), and beefier which is great when the trails join and you get those snowy-icy crud humps.

Bottom line - I would be happy with either, but the skightly beefier Mag 10 I like a little better. Mind you, they do not have the same "feel" under foot.
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