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Mounting bindings w/o boots - OK?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
I'm thinking about buying skis and bindings from a distant shop that's offering a great deal. They'll mount the bindings on the skis for free and say they only need my boot sole length, the 3-digit number on the outside of the boot heel, to do the job.

I'm wondering whether it's possible to mount bindings properly without having the boot on hand. Every other time I've had bindings mounted, the ski shop asked me to leave a boot with them.

Sure, I'd like to save a few bucks by having them do the job for free, rather than paying to have a local shop do it. But finding out that my boots don't fit the bindings would be a big letdown (and possibly a costly one, too).

Thanks all.
post #2 of 15
why risk it? if they're mounted incorrectly, they will perform less well. a mount done w/o boots has a greater chance of being flawed. therefore, you have a greater chance of receiving poor performance if you let them mount w/o boots.

don't be penny-wise and pound-foolish
post #3 of 15
It seems that you have almost answered your own question. You should pay to have your bindings mounted when your boot is available. If for no other reason it will give you peace of mind.

The shop you talked to is correct up to a point. Boot sole length as well as toe and heel measurements conform to a uniform industry standard. The boot sole length is what appears on the heel. Thus a 310mm sole length is measured in the same way regardless of who is makes the boot. However, if your boots are no longer new, the wear that they have sustained may cause them to deviate from the length printed on the heel or the original standard toe and heel specs.

[ October 31, 2002, 07:23 PM: Message edited by: Lostboy ]
post #4 of 15
the reason why skiis are marked left and right is to match boot to ski another words boot length can vary from wear or even from the factory to a small degree
post #5 of 15
Oh come on now,, boot wear, give me a break, if your boots have wear more than a Milameter its time for new boots. I bought ski's over the internet with bindings and had them mounted, i gave them my boot soul lenght and when i got them they were perfect, only had to slightly adjust toe height and they were set to go, didnt even have to adjust forward pressure. You will be fine having the shop mount them without the boot, heck tell them the boot brand and model and they mite even have one there.
Your splitting hairs about this.
post #6 of 15
...or death after!

Don't do it. Pay the money. Get it done right.

post #7 of 15
I've had 2 pair of skis mounted that way, worked great. One was with a local shop where I forgot to bring my boots in so I called them with the sole length. That was the motion system bindings which are easier though. I just ordered another pair over the internet the same way. If your boots are worn, it's not going to affect the length, maybe the toe height slightly. You can always have them checked later if you're worried about it.
post #8 of 15
I used to work as a tech for a ski shop, and I used to mount bindings. Having the boot to perform a mount is unecessary, all you need is the boot sole length. I've done my own mount jobs without my boots, and they turned out great. You don't need to have the boot to perform an accurate mount. Manufacturers take care to ensure that the boot sole length inscribe on the side of the boot is accurate. Also, binding manufacturers take care to ensure their jigs are accurate. As far as boot sole wear, the contact points where the boot sole interfaces with the bindings (as far as length is concerned) is not on the bottom of the sole, and doesn't wear too much.

A mounting job is a mounting job. There's only two kinds out there. A good one, and one that someone screwed up. Mounting bindings is a very straight forward process and any reputable shop should be able to do a good job with or without your ski boot. However, when you're talking about binding adjustments, you should have your bindings adjusted, and inspected with the boot in them, by a local ski shop.

My advice would be to get the mount done where you're buying the skis, save twenty bucks or whatever it would cost you, then take the skis to your local shop when you get them and have them inspect and adjust the setup.
post #9 of 15

So why does every ski shop and tech shop I have ever been to insist on having the boot to set up the bindings?
post #10 of 15

Shops insist because they have learned not to trust the customers recall regarding the boot information.

IF you have the factory mounting jigs, the boot is not needed. I have seen no drilling jigs that are set with the boot or use the boot during allignment. All the settings are "by the numbers. I could well be wrong on some makes, but I have looked at many mounting tools.

At home mounting, the boot is required. I still am a bit foggy regarding the mounting of older LOOK and Rossi FKS bindings with regard to heel placement.


post #11 of 15
Thanks CalG,

RockSkier - As CalG mentioned, most shops are hesitant to do a mount without the boot because by doing so they are trusting the customer to correctly relay the boot sole length. Remember the customer's always right, even when they're wrong.
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone for your input and advice - it's all been really useful.

Bring on the snow.
post #13 of 15
Don't let dc9mm experiance fool you. Just because he lucked out, it's not the safe bet. I was a ski tech for 3 years, and then managed the shop for another 3. I can tell you from personal knowledge, pay the 25$ and give them your boots. Why spend your hard earned money on new skis, and then find out later that they are 1 or 2mm off the center mounting point for that particular ski : That little bit will make a huge differance in overall performance of the ski. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] Trees are my friend
post #14 of 15
Originally posted by DONDA:
the reason why skiis are marked left and right is to match boot to ski another words boot length can vary from wear or even from the factory to a small degree
I've never noticed this marking on my skis. Are you sure? Where are my skis marked left and right?
post #15 of 15
Death before mounting bindings without boots.

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