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Jon Olsson GS turns

post #1 of 26
Thread Starter 
Take a look at this vid.



There is some great slomo GS skiing to analyze.
post #2 of 26
Interesting "style," and some unusual effects at the ski/snow interface, I think. But, I'd like to hear from the racing experts...
post #3 of 26
Looks like he loses edge pressure going over the rollers in a few places. I usually have to run a course 3-4 times before I can remember where it drops out from under me and I have to get further forward to keep turning. Otherwise looks pretty good. I Sure wish I had the luxury of just deciding to train at that level from now to 2014!
post #4 of 26
Any thoughts on inside to outside pressure?
post #5 of 26
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Any thoughts on inside to outside pressure?
Too much/too little?

Does anyone know much about Jon's background. Did he do some serious ski racing in his younger days or is he just picking up racing now?

My totally uneducated guess after watching the video is that he's an extraordinarily gifted athlete who's learning by the minute. He has an outstanding feel for the snow and obviously loves to go fast. If he keeps running gates, I would bet he'll get considerably better.

That said, I don't know how realistic it is to hope to go from where he is now (especially at age 34) to actually being competitive on the World Cup. It'll be an interesting experiment.
post #6 of 26
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Does anyone know much about Jon's background.

I have heard, but don't personally know, that he made it as far as Europa Cup level.
post #7 of 26
He says on the video that he made it pretty high on the Swedish team. Whether that's true or not, who knows?

I pretty much see what you're seeing, Bob. I'd like to see him riding that outside ski more, and smoothing out these turns. This is GS! There's no reason to slam from edge to edge like he's doing. Roll more easily and smooth it out, it seems to me.
post #8 of 26
Jon's racing background:
http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/604/613.ht...20&rec_start=0 Note that his last FIS Start was 5 years ago.

Click on next>> to go back further in his race history. Click on the place of the event and the race results for that competition will come up.
post #9 of 26
Ain't the 'net amazing? Thanks, whygimf!
post #10 of 26
Max, is the tipping of the old outside leg first a deliberet move that maybe HH has worked into Jon's movements? What specificly has Jon been working on? Pritty awsome skiing but I would have liked to see more of it.
post #11 of 26
A poor carpenter blames his tools.
post #12 of 26
I see speed.

I see lightning fast transitions, aided by several instances of the "White Pass"

I see extremely effective transitions, getting the ski under the body and whipping out the other side so that the CoM changes sides maintaining momentum.

I see the objective of building up pressure in the fall line.

I see fantastic atheleticism, and feel for the snow.


I don't see pretty golf cart skiing trying to create two perfect railroad lines in the snow

I like the white suit
post #13 of 26
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Too much/too little?

Does anyone know much about Jon's background. Did he do some serious ski racing in his younger days or is he just picking up racing now?
He started out racing and went pretty high up on the europa cup. Checked the FIS website - 48 points in GS! Tremendous respect for Jon, ridiculous freestyle/freeride skier who can also chase gates. Great all round skier, hope he reaches his goals.
post #14 of 26
Do winning GS racers listen to Michael McDonald?

I think its awesome he is getting after it on the race course. He had a great segment in Seven Sunny Days too where he alluded to becoming a better all-around skier. No doubt all that gate training is going to really pay off on the heli lines too.
post #15 of 26
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He started out racing and went pretty high up on the europa cup. Checked the FIS website - 48 points in GS!
He never qualified for a Europa Cup Start. FIS races in Europe are not Europa Cup events.

http://www.fis-ski.com/uk/604/613.ht...20&rec_start=0

48 points won't get you on a top level NCAA Carnival Team.
post #16 of 26
48 FIS points will put you 57th in GS among Swedish skiers according to the current list. Jon has some serious work ahead of him to get to where he needs. The challenge he will have is to get quality starts and he will need to prove himself to get there. As was said, as an 18 to 20 year old he did not race any Europa Cup races and the road to get there will be very tough. I doubt that with his other committments he will be able to spend the time. Look at how hard Phil Mahre is working at making it back to the US Nationals. That said, I like his skiing, but from what I saw, the conditions are far away from the boilerplate ice he may see on steep european courses.
post #17 of 26
I can't get away from my sense that this is really tongue-in-cheek... But, I guess we'll see over the next couple of years...
post #18 of 26
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I can't get away from my sense that this is really tongue-in-cheek... But, I guess we'll see over the next couple of years...

I can't believe it took this long for someone to finally say it....

Remember: Jon is also he guy who stood up a few years back and said he was going to make the Pro Tour in Surfing....which of course went nowhere.

These guys are athletes....but also salesmen....what they are selling is themselves...creating controversy is a great way to get publicity, which is key for sponsorships, movie deals etc.....

Remeber when Tanner declared that he was a better skier then WC becuase according to him a WC was too scared to ski in the pipe? This is the same thing....JO has a snowballs chance in hell in making the Olympic GS team....that course is wide open, easy, and set to get arc to arc skiing...look at that clip again and compare it to true WC GS course, he seems to have alot to time there between gates...this is not to say he is not an awesome skier he is....but it is definatley a stirr.
post #19 of 26
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These guys are athletes....but also salesmen....what they are selling is themselves...creating controversy is a great way to get publicity, which is key for sponsorships, movie deals etc.....
In a very real sense, everyone is a salesperson. As much as most hate to admit it...

But, right on. I'm pretty sure that's what this is about. More power to him...
post #20 of 26
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post
In a very real sense, everyone is a salesperson. As much as most hate to admit it...

But, right on. I'm pretty sure that's what this is about. More power to him...


Don't get me wrong, I would do it too if I could....great work if you can get it!
post #21 of 26

Pretty much right on target...

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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post

I can't believe it took this long for someone to finally say it....

Remember: Jon is also he guy who stood up a few years back and said he was going to make the Pro Tour in Surfing....which of course went nowhere.

These guys are athletes....but also salesmen....what they are selling is themselves...creating controversy is a great way to get publicity, which is key for sponsorships, movie deals etc.....

Remeber when Tanner declared that he was a better skier then WC becuase according to him a WC was too scared to ski in the pipe? This is the same thing....JO has a snowballs chance in hell in making the Olympic GS team....that course is wide open, easy, and set to get arc to arc skiing...look at that clip again and compare it to true WC GS course, he seems to have alot to time there between gates...this is not to say he is not an awesome skier he is....but it is definatley a stirr.
...never happen, in fact I doubt very much he could win at the National/International level in Masters racing. The guy's a great skier, but this is a really simple GS training course at Loveland (I've seen much tougher sets on the same pitch for Masters races) and tactically, he's consistently straight and late, which is a lot of the reason why he's hammering his edges so hard...
post #22 of 26
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...never happen, in fact I doubt very much he could win at the National/International level in Masters racing.
Consider that the video was shot after a total of 5 days of GS training since 2002. What's he going to look like after a full season of training?
post #23 of 26

Good point...

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Consider that the video was shot after a total of 5 days of GS training since 2002. What's he going to look like after a full season of training?
...we'll see, watch this space...
post #24 of 26
The real question is not how close he'll get to making it, it's how far off the pace he's gonna be....
post #25 of 26
I sense that something is wrong with his transitions, but can't put my finger on it.. Am I wrong?
post #26 of 26

Yes, as I said...

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I sense that something is wrong with his transitions, but can't put my finger on it.. Am I wrong?
...he's going in straight and late, and not getting enough direction above the gate, which means he essentially has to make a J-turn below the gate and hammer his edges really hard to make up for it. Any turn has 3 parts: initiation, middle, and finish. They are all important, obviously. If you can't get a clean initiation, forget the rest. If you can't do the Right Stuff in the middle (what Ron LeMaster talks about in terms of targeting the apex and then doing something with it), whatever good you did in the initiation doesn't matter. But if you can't complete a turn cleanly, you are totally hosed, and this may be the greatest problem I see with most racers. If you are, in the completion, fighting for balance on an essentially unstable platform, you are scrubbing valuable speed, losing line, and most important, you can't make a clean transition to the next turn. Go watch the video again, and you'll see what I'm talking about....
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