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Why didn't he fall? (Bode Miller DH, that is)

post #1 of 17
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Seeing there was an earlier thread on that really odd fall in Women's DH, I thought I would post the opposing question. I cannot understand, given Miller's backside was scraping the snow, why he didn't lose it completely. Seemed to defy physics, or something. Then run 1 of his slalom had its adventures, too. Anyway, I really was asking about the former case. Please give me your observations. Thanks. (He's a weeble and won't fall down is not what I had in mind... [img]smile.gif[/img] )

xxL
post #2 of 17
my ACLs hurt just watching that..those are some STRONG quads and hamsrtings.....
post #3 of 17
He did fall down. But then, he got back up again.

He pulled off a recovery to beat all recoveries. On a leg with no ACL.

I guess that's why he's in SLC with a medal around his neck, and we're on computers talking about it.

My other answer was going to be "Because it's Miller time!"
post #4 of 17
Another factor is also Luck. It plays a significant role at times. However, Bode is a very natural athlete and very strong. That combination creates a lot of Luck at times.
post #5 of 17
He was able to save it with a split second reaction. Just as soon as he hit the snow with his left hip/thigh, he seemed to retract his ACL-less left leg, jam the ski into the snow, and presto, back on two feet, but edging on the uphill edge of his uphill ski.

The fact that he got back up isn't as surprising as the fact that he STAYED up. The violence of that post-fall edge engagement was radical at 65 mph, and he probably would have gone down again had he not quickly changed his weight to the other, downhill ski.

At the time of the post-fall edge engagement, his left, uphill ski had a mind of it's own and was agressively tracking uphill. He had to quickly jump to the other ski to stay the course, or he would have gone down hard. All made possible by skill, strength, adrenaline and fear.
post #6 of 17
These skiers are amazing athletes. A soon as Bode Miller lost the inside edge and started sliding on his butt, he quickly attempted to regain his inside edge ... and succeeded. In fact, the inside ski grabbed so well that it catapulted him (via a weird cross under that would have ripped most people's knees apart : ) back on this feet. Truly amazing, but lucky too.

Speaking of Mr. Bode Miller, do you guys find that is skis way back on his skis? Especially in the SL, he seems to get waaaay back on his tails. Must be a nightmare for his coaches to see that. I bet that instructors on this forum would rip him apart if they saw him free-ski. Goes to show you that there are many ways to get down the hill.

I personally don't like his style, but my hats off to him for his outstanding effort in the combined.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 15, 2002 01:06 PM: Message edited 1 time, by TomB ]</font>
post #7 of 17
I got to take a closer look in slo-mo at it but here is what I remember from seeing it in the broadcast:

Major reason he was able to recover is icy course. When his hip touched the ground there was not much friction to spin him around. During the split second he was sliding on his he brought his arms forward (ok Bode Miller "forward") and fought to keep his body up right and as forward as he could driving it towards the next turn. That is why when his ski caught an edge it shot his body up and swung under him positioning him for the next turn, rather than spinning him out of control.
Another reason is that he never gave up. There was a certain amount of luck involved when his edge caught at the right moment.

The hip check that he did (and that is not really a fall) is not that uncommon in racing.

VK
post #8 of 17
I was also thinking that perhaps due to the extreme steepness of grizly, though he did fall, he wasn't horizanal since the course isn't horizontal. It is very steep and even when sliding on one's butt, they are still upright to a certain degree.
Add in to the mix that Bodehas spent his whole life realizing what his body can and can't do on skis, his way, and his athletic conditioning and you have the formula for a kick-ass DH skier.
post #9 of 17
Excellent core strength and stability, but you all knew I would say that!
post #10 of 17
if you get another chance to look at a reply, watch just his skis and boots. in other words, don't pay attention to his actual falling, just watch the skis on the snow. he always had at least one ski dug in really well. in a matter of fact, the most amazing thing is that he really didn't lose much time!!! cause his skis (or ski, actually) held true to his line, despite the fact that his upper body was pretty much draggin' on the snow.

i look at him bringing his upper body back up into position as not being the major impressive thing... what impressed me most was that his skis kept going right in line and he kept edge preasure.
post #11 of 17
I agree whole heartedly with vk he had a little luck in catching an edge that help spring him up. and hip check in racing is pretty common. i am a jr level race chair and in a gs race you might see 2 hip check saves one run per field. that said it was a great save
post #12 of 17
Bill Johnson did a full back slammer (his head smacking on his tails would have rendered most of us out cold) after a jump in the 70's Olympics ...... he won!

But maybe that's why Bill has had so many problems.
post #13 of 17
I heard somewhere that Bode said the only reason he pulled off that recovery was because he knew he was dead if he didn't.
post #14 of 17
Nakona, Your right Bode said he know that if he did'nt recover he and possibly some coaches that were on the sidelines would be dead.Bode has always skied on the edge. His race style is more no Guts no Glory then Technique he falls a lot in races but then when he wins he wins Big!
post #15 of 17
How why did he not fall on those two jumps in the course? He landed two of those way in the back seat.
He is just an animal with pure determination.
post #16 of 17
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TomB:
I bet that instructors on this forum would rip him apart if they saw him free-ski.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Zat is only because ze instructors on this forum are a bunch of *%^*ing gapers!
post #17 of 17
Like JohnH says, he DID fall. You might say he took a lucky bounce!

I suspect that none of us was half as surprised as Bode himself that he finished that race. As he has admitted, he was "completely out of control" at one point. He said he just closed his eyes, thinking he was about to die, then the next thing he knew he was back on course, and shortly later, he had that Olympic medal around his neck. Bode doesn't know how it got there either!

Of course, it wasn't just plain luck. Physical conditioning, fast reflexes, sheer athleticism, and a strong will to survive--surely these all played a role! Luck favors those who have prepared.

It was one of the most amazing, and entertaining, runs I've ever seen! Thanks, Bode Miller--keep it up!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
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