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post #61 of 65
Originally Posted by Wrangler View Post
... We are the one percenters. We are the ones who ski in bad (we think it's good) weather. Out for first runs and last one off the hill...

...Every once in awhile you'll get that guy or girl in a class that just lights up the first time they slide on them boards and you know that you have found a kindred spirit. It is rare but it does happen...

...I take great pleasure in thinking that this guy sitting next to me on the chair is going to be in some concrete and steel building tomorrow surronded by computers and what not ...
Dec 11, 2007

Hi Wrangler:

I would put myself in the one percent club. I average 40+ days per season for the last 20 years. For the last 3 years I've been averaging 60+ days. However, being part of the "over the hill gang", I'm out first thing in the morning but usually hang it up after 4-5 hours of solid, continuous skiing.

I'm also a "rare" kindred spirit. What you said, describes my first day on skis to a "T", even though I almost ran into a tree and didn't take a formal lesson but was "taught" by an office mate for 5 minutes and abandoned. I still look with envy on newbees who have just discovered the "joys of skiing" and are embarking on their own grand adventure. I recall the "amazement and joy" which I experienced.

Finally, I ski more than my coach whom I've been taking lessons regularly (4-5 times/season) for the last 6-7 years, even though you will find me sitting in a concrete/steel building surrounded by "computers" and what nots. I usually ski at least 4 times per week. 2 half days and 2 full days.

Finally, my coach once told me, he was amazed how much money a family of four would have to spend for a day of skiing. It was easy to drop AT LEAST $400.00 for this family of four to enjoy a day on the slopes (and we are only a "feeder" area). Granted that not all of this $400.00 goes into Ski Lessons, but think about it, how many families of four can afford to ski 20 days at a cost of $400.00 per day? Even 10 days would be $4000.00. This family, with some judicious web searching, could go on two 7 days cruises, which would cover lodging, meals as well as most ship board recreational/activities costs. With so many "activities" competing for this family's "entertainment" dollars, is it a surprise that the projected growth of skiing is 0, irrespective of how much ski lessons costs?

Think snow,


PS: one year several of the senior coaches at our ski school (actually trainers) were placing odds on that I made the most vertical of all skiers at my home mountain. Note not most days but most vertical. Not willing to win anything on false pretenses, I pointed out another skier (a woman who I ski a lot with because we are always on the mountain) actually skis more vertical than I do, since she averages at least 5 days/week and she skis as much vertical as I do when we are skiing together.
post #62 of 65
I think it varies. my best group skiing instruction last year was at Blackcomb. only 3 in the group and the price was not out of line; the instructor was attentive and helpful. At Vail, the price was much higher, group much larger, and my instructor gave very little individual attention.
post #63 of 65
Originally Posted by Lostboy View Post
In sum, for whatever reason, many people don't see the value in taking lessons given their cost and the perceived benefits.
I wonder how many times it's the financial cost of the lesson that's stopping people, rather than the time cost. How many days per year does the typical person ski? I've heard the typical skier gets five days per year on average... Which means taking a day for lessons could mean skiers view lessons as sucking up 20% of thier annual ski time for little perceived benefit.

For the non-instructors out there... I know there are a lot of Bears that are "1 percenters" but never employed by a ski resort. Are you planning to take a lesson this year? If not, why not?
post #64 of 65
the biggest reason for people not taking instruction is that they don't really care if they get better or not. It is not a high priority with them. If they can maneuver around the hill and have a mountain experience that's enough for them. I have been involved with every "bring 'em back" marketing effort that you can think of and they always fall short of managements expectations.
I would be interested to know north south, east, west how many areas still offer "ski weeks". Split 'em on Monday, Race 'em on Friday types. this use to be the main stay in the industry but seems to have fallen by the wayside with what marketing deems as to long a program for the average skier. Did they create the problem by not offering the program or are they right??
post #65 of 65
Wrangler, you nail it.

We obsessive types might never be able to look ourselves in the mirror until we reach Level III++ Clinician Trainer Examiner Apotheosisizer Canonizer Demo-God from the Quintessence Regional Pantheon Trainer (we'll look at ourselves in low-res video till then), but most folks ski less than 10 days a year and just want to go out and have a fun little day on the mountain.

From my limited experience working in ski schools, most folks seeking lessons are first-timers (for whom the value of a lesson to remove the fear and mystery of skiing is high) and the obsessive frequent skiers (for whom the value of a lesson to break through to the next level of whatever is high). The other 90% of the skiing public just wants to know how to stop in front of the lodge without embarrassing themselves, and usually can. So the value of a lesson is lower than the cost, i.e. not worth it.
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