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post #31 of 48
None of our local shops did pro form anyway. The only one that did offer discounts had a "close association" with mountain management and the discount wasn't worth even sneezing at.

I especially loved the day when they told us that we would not be allowed to teach unless we showed up with a slip for each pair of skis that certified that we had the DIN set. Of course they "hinted" on were to go for a "discount" on getting the bindings done.

The Asst. SSD was PO'd when she looked at my slips and they were from another shop .... I lied ... I told her I got lost ...
post #32 of 48


There's a difference between "Pro Form" and retail discount. The retailer can sell gear for whatever price he wants. That's not "Pro Form." However, if he returns the "Pro Form" to the manufacturer, the buyer had been be in one of the authorized groups or it's effectively fraud.

The pro deals are no where near what they once were, and this is undoubtedly a big part of the reason. Another is that many who get the deal don't help to sell the gear. No wonder there's been a crackdown.

It's interesting to me that there's virtually no way to track retail sales back to a pro, but there's a way to track pro sales back to a pro... Seems backwards to me...
post #33 of 48
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Of course they "hinted" on were to go for a "discount" on getting the bindings done.

The Asst. SSD was PO'd when she looked at my slips and they were from another shop .... I lied ... I told her I got lost ...
Dec 5, 2007

Yuki San:

Unbelievable, just unbelievable:. I'm going to sic the House Committee of Un-American Activities on her. As for you, "House on Fire". So there.

Think snow,

CH aka CP
post #34 of 48
I graduated high school, got a real job, started teaching, quit the real job, taught full time for 13 seasons, got a real job, now I am teaching again and wanting to quit my real job because I miss the lifestyle and the mountains. Go figure?

Unfortunely/fortunately along the way I got married, had kids, and developed a more expensive lifestyle (ie:wife, kids, mortgages, etc) that will keep me in a real job until I can figure this thing out!

Oh how I dream of a trust fund......
post #35 of 48
I have a job working for Guest Services at a ski area near where I live. I "work" one day a week, handing out granola bars in the morning, patrolling the slopes during the day looking for damsels in distress (three last week), taking people on mountain tours and answering assorted questions from confused guests.

I get a nice DNA uniform, including pants, all the granola bars I can fit into my pockets, one class ski lesson a month and a locker. Pay is about what a ski instructor gets: zero. If you hit the end of year sales, pro form isn't worth much.

I don't have to pay for instruction clinics to keep my job, I don't have to spend the day on the bunny slope picking up middle-age women off the snow and I don't have to worry about failing any certification exam (I talked last year to a woman who failed Level 2 six times).

It is a better job than an instructor. If an area near you has such a program, consider it.
post #36 of 48
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About the pro-deals... BTW Pro-deal is still expensive and I can do about as well on E-bay or other Web deals.
My last word on this, see above- seems to me that the pro form forces you to buy local (deserving or otherwise) which is the point. Ebay and web deals are taking money from local shops. Locals who (for the most part) are invested in the tools and know how to SERVICE the customer. Consider the total cost of anything you buy (warranty, repair, service, know how) when you talk about the price!!
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post #38 of 48
Oh My!!!
The candidates that didn't make the cut are ................well...............yummy!!
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post #39 of 48
Typical Swiss BS! :

Men, stand and demand your rights! :

No Heide, no peace! No Heide no piece! No heiney no peas ...
post #40 of 48
The contestant questions seem to be rather fluffy too. What about global warming and world peace?

Why do I teach....pass, locker, great mates, get to learn from the world's best ski pro's, extremely nice pro-form pricing, get to introduce people to the fun of snowboarding, great parties, Real Deal in Colorado, my riding is SO much better, confident in any terrain except the park n pipe. I get to meet nice people from around the world.
post #41 of 48
This is how the Ski Instructors do it in The Arlberg in Austria

http://www.skilehrerinnen.at/2008m/p...ehrerinnen.htm
post #42 of 48
Thread Starter 
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This is how the Ski Instructors do it in The Arlberg in Austria

http://www.skilehrerinnen.at/2008m/p...ehrerinnen.htm
I wonder how they teach side slipping in that lava field.

woof!
post #43 of 48
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Typical Swiss BS! :

Men, stand and demand your rights! :

No Heide, no peace! No Heide no piece! No heiney no peas ...
Yuki, don't make me use my powers!!!
post #44 of 48
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Originally Posted by crudmeister View Post
I have a job working for Guest Services at a ski area near where I live. I "work" one day a week, handing out granola bars in the morning, patrolling the slopes during the day looking for damsels in distress (three last week), taking people on mountain tours and answering assorted questions from confused guests.

I get a nice DNA uniform, including pants, all the granola bars I can fit into my pockets, one class ski lesson a month and a locker. Pay is about what a ski instructor gets: zero. If you hit the end of year sales, pro form isn't worth much.

I don't have to pay for instruction clinics to keep my job, I don't have to spend the day on the bunny slope picking up middle-age women off the snow and I don't have to worry about failing any certification exam (I talked last year to a woman who failed Level 2 six times).

It is a better job than an instructor. If an area near you has such a program, consider it.
I think my "job" as an OHG guide is pretty good, too. I get to teach and see the "ah ha moment". But, I do a lot of skiing, guide skiers to the best snow on the mountain (that I get to ski as a result!), and enjoy the day with folks who love to be out skiing. It's pretty dang good fun, and although it's volunteer, it has benefits similar to the ones you mention.

I add some additional teaching into the mix, but this role is really fun...
post #45 of 48
I decided to teach skiing because I love skiing and I'm insane. None of the reasons I used to talk myself into doing this made any sense.
post #46 of 48
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I decided to teach skiing because I love skiing and I'm insane...
Not good enough. That describes a very high percentage of EpicSki posters...
post #47 of 48
At Mt.Hood Meadows we have awesome daily development clinics for instructors taught by very capable senior cert3's .
post #48 of 48
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Because, as a retailer it kills us to see non-pros getting the pro price. I exspect the pros that I sell to send me customers and for them to be helping to grow the sport. Joe skiers who gets a "bro deal" from a shop or other source will not do this in most cases. Sorry but if you have a full time job, you should be able to buy ski gear, esp in this age of the internet and the swell of last years gear that's out there. Many of the MFG's are getting very tight with pro forms, I know of more than one that has done away with the traditional pro-rep and all sales must go through the shop. It's been abused for far too long and this is the result.
The whole idea behind these discounts, as explained to me by numerous reps, is that the people getting the discounts are most likely going to be people that ski, a lot, and as such, are probably going to be pretty good skiers. Companies want people to see the local rippers at whatever hill they are at, ripping around on said companies gear.

This is also the reasoning behind hooking the patrol up as well, although I suspect that is also partially a bit of a thank you from the industry, which hasn't succumbed to "the bottom line" yet. They also want shop employees on their gear so that they will recommend it to customers.

In a few years, I think most companies will have something similar to Salomon's hookup cards.

You're right about the availability of cheap gear online though. I wish I could buy local, but I can usually only afford to buy online, excepting the odd deal from a friend or something.
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