Originally Posted by JDoyal
Because, as a retailer it kills us to see non-pros getting the pro price. I exspect the pros that I sell to send me customers and for them to be helping to grow the sport. Joe skiers who gets a "bro deal" from a shop or other source will not do this in most cases. Sorry but if you have a full time job, you should be able to buy ski gear, esp in this age of the internet and the swell of last years gear that's out there. Many of the MFG's are getting very tight with pro forms, I know of more than one that has done away with the tradional pro-rep and all sales must go through the shop. It's been abused for far too long and this is the result.
I disagree but you knew that was coming-
"as a retailer it kills us to see non pros get the pro price" So you would rather sell me nothing (at a zero percent margin) than to sell me product which the manufacturer discounts to you, and in turn to me? Sure you technically make less profit. But my math says less margin is better than zero??
"I expect pros to refer business and grow the business" - So although I can ski better than most local "pros", spend 60 to 70 days on snow, am knowledgeable about gear and present myself in a professional manner and work in an office of 1,600 or so of potential new skiers my referral to your shop is unacceptable??
"If you have a full time job you should be able to afford gear" My dollars are limited, regardless of how much I make. I spend more on "bro form" gear than I would without it season after season. Your advice to seek deals on the internet is counter intuitive to your point about referring business to local shops from the "pro". I also have 2 young children who ski, so I bring more than my "bro form" business to the table.
I don't know, my shop seems to be OK with my use of "pro forms". I ski with the shop owner from time to time, have a relationship with the staff and believe in buying local for the most part. They know that I also buy items which are not on the forms and that while I buy a majority of my big ticket purchases on the form, there are the incidentals, kids gear, gift certificates and such purchased during the course of the year which they make a traditional profit margin on.
Additionally my local shop offered me "shop form" for a pretty prestegious bicycle brand last summer to say thanks for the ski business I referred to them. I ended up buying a $3,000 bike that I otherwise would not have purchased. In turn I have bought a bunch of other cycling gear, sold my previous bike to a "new" cyclist and have referred half a dozen or so others who have purchased from them. (again less profit from me, but more from 7 new customers)
Is there "abuse" out there? Sure there is, just like reseller selling below MAP price on Ebay to inflate sales and reap additional discounts.. Either way there is a glut of "cheap" gear to be had, with or without the "pro form".