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post #121 of 132
It would seem that biomechanically there is a functional amount of lead for every angle created between the snow and the skier's legs?

Some may advocate more and some may advocate less however I would think that everyone agrees there is a functional amount necessary to good turning?

When do we know we have too much or too little? It would seem to me that if it detracts from good turning we have moved outside the functional window of appropriate lead?

I have experimented with the concept of pulling the inside foot back and found that it works fine in lower angle skiing to pressure the inside tip. Pulling the foot back at higher edge angles just feels awkward and uses muscular effort without benefit, IMO.

I don't see Bode making any concerted effort to pull his inside foot back in his turns? Perhaps a little "pull back" tension would be beneficial in his turns, but then that would be for Bode to decide!

I feel, in my skiing, that the idea of pulling the inside foot back (or pushing the outside foot forward) aids, if anywhere, during the transition as it tends to pull the hips over and squares the hips up to the feet. This helps proactively set up the counter and lead in the next turn.

Just my thoughts on the subject!

I may be wrong because many times I am!
post #122 of 132
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post
I love this sport! It just drives me a bit nuts trying to incorporate all the different ideas and approaches.

I have been suffering from paralysis from analysis this season. I have come to the conclusion that is it due to the fact that most are providing verbal vomit in terms of coaching knowledge. Everyone has an opinion....... what I liked about the Sportskool Video was the back to basic approach & the simple focus.
I have been lucky to find a coach that has provided me w/ solid fundamental tech advise & am sticking w. the basics. Much of what he has pointed out on the hill was EXACTLY what was put out in the Bode Video.
post #123 of 132
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I have been suffering from paralysis from analysis this season. I have come to the conclusion that is it due to the fact that most are providing verbal vomit in terms of coaching knowledge. Everyone has an opinion....... what I liked about the Sportskool Video was the back to basic approach & the simple focus.
I have been lucky to find a coach that has provided me w/ solid fundamental tech advise & am sticking w. the basics. Much of what he has pointed out on the hill was EXACTLY what was put out in the Bode Video.
It is ALL about the basics!!
post #124 of 132

Yep, I agree...

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
It is ALL about the basics!!
...if you know the basics...which, oddly enough, haven't changed all that much...you're pretty well covered. There's another corollary to this, which is that thinking about skiing while you're skiing...or even afterward...isn't always a good idea. Or, as former USST skier Edie Thys once said, "The dumber, the better." What is it that Phil Mahre used to say? Something like "On race day, all I think about is looking ahead and going all out." Or, my version, which is "Yeah, okay...I'll see your ILE and raise you an OLR, whatever those things are...now, what say we shut up, point 'em down, and let 'em buck...
post #125 of 132
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...if you know the basics...which, oddly enough, haven't changed all that much...you're pretty well covered. There's another corollary to this, which is that thinking about skiing while you're skiing...or even afterward...isn't always a good idea. Or, as former USST skier Edie Thys once said, "The dumber, the better." What is it that Phil Mahre used to say? Something like "On race day, all I think about is looking ahead and going all out." Or, my version, which is "Yeah, okay...I'll see your ILE and raise you an OLR, whatever those things are...now, what say we shut up, point 'em down, and let 'em buck...
Great Post!!!

I'll never forget when I was at a race with my older boy over at Mt. Spokane. We knew the kids from Schweitzer very well and they were there also. (including Will Brandenburg now on the US "B" team).

The boys were discussing what their respective coaches teahcing them this season.

The kids from Crystal Mt. said they were working on crossovers, the virtual bump and Bode's behind the boot pole plant.

The Idaho kids looked at them like they were from another planet! The Crystal kids asked, What have your coaches said?

Their response? Stay forward and go as fast as you can!

Needless to say, the Crystal kids as a group got their asses kicked that race and the whole season!
post #126 of 132
I watched the Bode Carving Video again yesterday.The clip makes me relieved that good skiing appears achievable for "mere mortals" capable of executing the basic movement patterns Bode demonstrates. I plan on watching it over and over gain this season as it reinforces in a clean concise and non complciated manner elements I think that will help me ski to the best of my abilities. So, I'm all for keeping it simple. Everybody that I play gold with and is better than me all say I think too much about swing mechanics. So maybe just keeping it simple and pretty basic becomes a very powerful teaching aid that can deliver improvement.
post #127 of 132

Outstanding...

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Great Post!!!

I'll never forget when I was at a race with my older boy over at Mt. Spokane. We knew the kids from Schweitzer very well and they were there also. (including Will Brandenburg now on the US "B" team).

The boys were discussing what their respective coaches teahcing them this season.

The kids from Crystal Mt. said they were working on crossovers, the virtual bump and Bode's behind the boot pole plant.

The Idaho kids looked at them like they were from another planet! The Crystal kids asked, What have your coaches said?

Their response? Stay forward and go as fast as you can!

Needless to say, the Crystal kids as a group got their asses kicked that race and the whole season!
...I thought we were on the same page. The rules of engagement: get really good skis, maintain them scrupulously, learn everything you can about the sport, do your dry land...not because you have to, but because you're an animal...use good tactics...then, know your limits and exceed them frequently.

Right now, it's snowing 12 inches plus...which is what it does every day in Colorado...but I can't even pull out my fat boys, or go train Super G tomorrow a. m. with my homies because I'm spending my time doing laps on my exercise bike to get my recently scoped right knee to bend properly. No worries...the Cooper DH/Super Combined isn't for another month, so I have plenty of time....all I'm asking for, between now and then, is three or four mornings with clean snow and nobody on the hill so I can get on my 212 Atomic DHs...and my 205 Atomic Super Gs...and my 204 Atomic Super Gs...and my 201 Atomic Super Gs...and my other pair of 201 Atomic Super Gs...but if it doesn't stop snowing, I guess next weekend, ready or not, I'm going to have to take my Atomic R:Exs on a Mission from God in Moose and Salto Glades...damn...

Go fast, be good, have fun, and make it your New Years' Resolution for you and your son to go light 'em up this year...
post #128 of 132
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Originally Posted by SkiRacer55 View Post
...I thought we were on the same page. The rules of engagement: get really good skis, maintain them scrupulously, learn everything you can about the sport, do your dry land...not because you have to, but because you're an animal...use good tactics...then, know your limits and exceed them frequently.

Right now, it's snowing 12 inches plus...which is what it does every day in Colorado...but I can't even pull out my fat boys, or go train Super G tomorrow a. m. with my homies because I'm spending my time doing laps on my exercise bike to get my recently scoped right knee to bend properly. No worries...the Cooper DH/Super Combined isn't for another month, so I have plenty of time....all I'm asking for, between now and then, is three or four mornings with clean snow and nobody on the hill so I can get on my 212 Atomic DHs...and my 205 Atomic Super Gs...and my 204 Atomic Super Gs...and my 201 Atomic Super Gs...and my other pair of 201 Atomic Super Gs...but if it doesn't stop snowing, I guess next weekend, ready or not, I'm going to have to take my Atomic R:Exs on a Mission from God in Moose and Salto Glades...damn...

Go fast, be good, have fun, and make it your New Years' Resolution for you and your son to go light 'em up this year...
Both my boys and I are going up tomorrow. Skied last Friday & saturday, too!

We have been getting absolutly dumped on! supposed to be 6-18" of new between Noon today and noon tomorrow and we already have nearly 6 feet!!

We skied the new chair at Crystal 1st day it opened last Saturday! Really opens up the lift served terrain.

Mostly been on the Monster's but got to take a couple of runs on the New SL12 PB w/10.18's. Great ski!!!

I feel more balanced then ever in the new Raptor 150's. Left foot is great but gonna need a little more work for my goofy right foot.

With Booster Straps and the Flex set to 140 this boot was great everywhere deep pow, bumps and all and damn powerful!

Thanks for the good cheer and have a Happy FAST New Year!
post #129 of 132

Likewise...

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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Both my boys and I are going up tomorrow. Skied last Friday & saturday, too!

We have been getting absolutly dumped on! supposed to be 6-18" of new between Noon today and noon tomorrow and we already have nearly 6 feet!!

We skied the new chair at Crystal 1st day it opened last Saturday! Really opens up the lift served terrain.

Mostly been on the Monster's but got to take a couple of runs on the New SL12 PB w/10.18's. Great ski!!!

I feel more balanced then ever in the new Raptor 150's. Left foot is great but gonna need a little more work for my goofy right foot.

With Booster Straps and the Flex set to 140 this boot was great everywhere deep pow, bumps and all and damn powerful!

Thanks for the good cheer and have a Happy FAST New Year!
...enjoy the new pow, and remember...why turn if you don't have to?
post #130 of 132
"...enjoy the new pow, and remember...why turn if you don't have to?"

uh, because it feels really good

Cheers
Holiday
post #131 of 132
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I think that Bode & Phil need to go out and strap on some gear that the average person would find themselves on, dead stock "out of the box" boots and skis.

One of the things they have lost touch with is that the gear they are on is finely tuned regarding balance .... boot fit with proper beds and skis that are dead on regarding the proverbial sweet spot .... they are in balance from the moment they click in! The average "Joe" isn't.

I had this conversation with one of the guys in the office today. He complained that he was worried about his upcoming trip out west and how he spent his last trip with his shins bandaged up from trying to stay and keep proper forward pressure on the skis. His shins were raw after a few days. If he was in proper balance regarding his boots and skis he would only need to maintain a position that puts him over the ski with slight pressure.

Good turns originate at the ankle. Move the ankle and the knees will follow. Try to hold your knees and roll the ankles .... again, this video is aimed at intermediate skiers and is intended to get them someplace ... along the way ... it's not the final stop along the road.

Those are pole touches I see in the video .. not pole plants .. I think that this needs to be made clear since some still equate a plant as a hard and distinct move ..... necessary at times ... but quite different in nature.

Think about all the time and energy you have spent just to be in balance over your skis .... as pros, I'm betting you put a lot into this. I think a lot is lost in these videos because the average person is way out of balance to start with. This then leads to a series of "band aid" fixes in technique that should be addressed .... that said ... a good instructor with a keen eye (I am not), would probably spot much of this and address it along with technique on an individual basis.
Kind of a pet peeve of mine: why should Average Joe learn all sorts of things to compensate for the fact that he has an equipment problem?

These problems come in varying degrees, but instructors should be more upfront about trelling students that the major obstacle between them and good ski technique is getting a proper boot-fitting, etc.
Selling lesson after lesson to people who are essentially 'hamstrung' equipment issues strikes me as dodgy, at best.
post #132 of 132
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Originally Posted by OldSchool View Post
Kind of a pet peeve of mine: why should Average Joe learn all sorts of things to compensate for the fact that he has an equipment problem?

These problems come in varying degrees, but instructors should be more upfront about trelling students that the major obstacle between them and good ski technique is getting a proper boot-fitting, etc.
Selling lesson after lesson to people who are essentially 'hamstrung' equipment issues strikes me as dodgy, at best.

I for one, have been trying to reconcile this exact issue for years! Good possibilities are in the works....

There is no reason in today's environment that anyone like yourself who recognizes the importance of getting everything right with your equipment can't get it done!! ESA boot camp is a great opportunity to get on the right track! (shameless plug)
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