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post #1 of 21
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Stay away they are not opening terrain and chairs, See Steamboat Pilot: forums and read their response, They name call insult and deny. I have not been up yet, as with one basic trail a some small connectors it is deadly, the new chair is unreliable , they are only running the lower mountain, and even that is not really open. Enjoy the snow that fell last week as I plan to : :AWAY from Steamboat. no pictures because the trails that are snow covered and visible from my deck are closed. Motels in Summit here I come
post #2 of 21
How about I show you a picture of the bases of my skis from skiing Hahn's peak yesterday where they've received MORE snow than the ski area? There's not enough snow to open the stuff up top... the 12" that fell was on top of basically nothing. By all means, hike to the top yourself and ski shadows, then post a photo of your broken leg after you ski into a stump.
post #3 of 21
Patience is a virtue.
post #4 of 21
They are reporting 12" in 72 and a 21 inch base. That is nothing.
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Stay away they are not opening terrain and chairs, See Steamboat Pilot: forums and read their response, They name call insult and deny.
You make it sound as if Ski Corp is name calling and such. Its random dudes on a forum and we all know about them.

Calm down.
Go to VFW or the Golden Q, its up to you.
Have a drink. Think about elevation difference between Routt and Summit counties.
post #5 of 21
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Go to VFW or the Golden Q, its up to you.
The Golden Cue is now a gun shop... which may be even better for taking out frustrations!
post #6 of 21
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The Golden Cue is now a gun shop...


That is a shame, the Que was always an adventure.

I just told my wife and she almost shed a tear. She shoot in a pool league for the VFW and they had quite a friendly rivalry.

Ahhh.....I can almost smell Fart Park now.
post #7 of 21
as of this AM they now have 22 runs open. The link to the listing of the runs is broken but they are busy making snow and there is a good storm on the way, Check the weather out, its showing snow from Wednesday on through the weekend.

FWIW- Intra west owns them now.
post #8 of 21
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FWIW- Intra west owns them now.
I lived in the PNW and skied Whistler for years (also lived in Whistler for 3 years).

Intrawest is the undisputed Master of "Rosy-colored" snow reports.

On the Whistler site, you'll never see the word "rain" (which happens frequently). Rain is normal in a coastal zone. But, they only use the words "precipitation" and "freezing level", allowing you to figure out how much of the mountains is immersed in rain.

By contrast, Mt. Baker (a bit south in Washington state), is unabashedly honest regarding conditions. If it's raining, or white-out fog, they say so.

I haven't read any snow reports on Steamboat, or seen the real conditions. But, if Intrawest continues to divulge ski conditions with the same "candor" exhibited for decades at Whistler, I wouldn't plan a Steamboat trip based upon their snow report.
post #9 of 21
Steamboat is famous for under-reporting snow totals. I spoke to my friend there today who says the conditions are good and several areas are holding nice powder. They have 32 trails open and the forecast for tonight is 5-10" with snow forecasted through the weekend.

I just copied this off a posting on the Steamboat forum:

On Wednesday, Dec. 5, the resort will open two more lifts, 4 Points and the Gondola, which join Burgess Creek, Preview, Thunderhead Express and the new six-passenger Christie Peak Express. The Steamboat Gondola will return to operation tomorrow at its regularly scheduled opening time. In addition to the new lifts, several of the popular mountain trails off of 4 Points including Rainbow, Tornado Lane, Hurricane, Typhoon as well as the upper sections of 4 Points Lift Line, Tornado, Nelson’s Run and Twister will also come on line. A complete list of mountain trails and lifts will be available Wednesday morning. In addition, the resort will move to early season pricing starting tomorrow as well.

With the addition of 4 Points chairlift, the resort expects to offer 365 acres, 32 trails or more than 2,800 vertical feet of terrain. Additionally, the 4 Points Hut will be open daily. The resort is currently reporting a 19-inch base at mid-mountain and 25-inch base at the summit on packed powder/machine-made conditions. For those looking to get their jib on, the resort has built its early season rail park on Eagles’ Nest.
post #10 of 21
alireiner- you seem like a bit of a bitter person here. I read your total of 4 posts in the Stemaboat forum and they all are pretty negative. Steamboat is starting to crank everything up slowly but surely. As of today, things definately picked up a bit with the 4pts lift opening servicing a bunch of good runs.

In one of your recent posts on the Steamboat forum, you said indicated your would spend the week away from the boat. Steamboat has 6 of 18 lifts open and 32 of 165 trails open. A quick check of Keystone, Brackenridge and Copper websites show MUCH more skiable terrain open today at Steamboat than any of the three. The only difference being that with summits of 11,000 the "top" of the other mountains are open for a longer run with 2000' vertical drop.
post #11 of 21
I love how people get all aggro because their favorite hill hasn't opened 100% of the terrain yet.

Like they can control Mother Nature.

It's called EARLY SEASON for a reason.

And be thankful you have 5 (or however many) runs open.

Come out to Tahoe where @ Alpine Meadows they blew snow on a bunny slope while the rest of the mountain looked ripe enough for summer hiking and mountain biking (as of the previous weekend).

Chill.
post #12 of 21
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Originally Posted by Finndog View Post
as of this AM they now have 22 runs open. The link to the listing of the runs is broken but they are busy making snow and there is a good storm on the way, Check the weather out, its showing snow from Wednesday on through the weekend.

FWIW- Intra west owns them now.
and about a year ago Fortress bought Intrawest and like many big private equity firms they are having a tough time financially in the last 6 months or so.
post #13 of 21
And its still Ski Corp.
post #14 of 21
how is it still Ski corp? What is ski corp's relationship to Intrawest?
post #15 of 21
I don't know... But things seems to be $$$$ driven strictly, with Intra/Fort on the command.
Not a problem, at least, since you begin to feel some "corp unethical behave", as mentioned before like "never r***" at the slopes, they are "powder" all the time, lifts out of order many times over the day and, thus big lines, but it is never said, etc.

You'll find out several blogs with "real" reports about those places. The guys there are just tired about so many inaccurate information.

Cheers
post #16 of 21
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how is it still Ski corp? What is ski corp's relationship to Intrawest?
I lived there during the ASC days, it was still "Ski Corp".

From their website..

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Address
Steamboat Ski & Resort Corporation
2305 Mt. Werner Circle
Steamboat, CO 80487
post #17 of 21
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I lived there during the ASC days, it was still "Ski Corp".

From their website..
Exactly, Ski Corp refers to Steamboat Ski & Resort Corp., which is the name of the company who actually runs the mountain... i.e. I work for Ski Corp., I don't work for Intrawest... Intrawest owns the company I work for. Intrawest doesn't decide how the mountain is run, Ski Corp. does (i.e. the head guys with Steamboat are employed by Steamboat Ski Corp., not Intrawest)... make sense?
post #18 of 21
Much thanks. I didn't realize that Intra had no authority on the mountain. ASC sold their interest so not sure where the lines of ownership are. I thought Intra owned the whole enchilada. I know they don't own much of the real estate so do they just control the ticket sale and overall mgt? Not sure how they don't have authority of the mountain.
post #19 of 21
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Much thanks. I didn't realize that Intra had no authority on the mountain. ASC sold their interest so not sure where the lines of ownership are. I thought Intra owned the whole enchilada. I know they don't own much of the real estate so do they just control the ticket sale and overall mgt? Not sure how they don't have authority of the mountain.
They have authority of the mountain, but indirectly. It's just like it was with ASC... they own the mountain, they don't manage the mountain... there is a big difference which many people do not realize. Steamboat is one of Intrawest's brands if you will. The brand manages itself fairly independently, while still aligning itself with the owner's policies and desires. Maybe not the greatest example since Fortress isn't public, but think of it like how GM owns Chevy and Buick, only on a much smaller scale. So when it comes to terrain openings, Intrawest doesn't really have anything to do with the decision, Ski Corp. makes those decisions... sure if Intrawest wanted to they could give the resort an initiative to open x% of the mtn by x date, but for the most part, it is up to the mountain's management company to operate as they see fit.

and edit: intrawest doesn't own the mountain from the real estate perspective, they own the business Steamboat Ski & Resort... just clarifying your real estate question there, mtn is mostly forest service land to which Steamboat has the permits.
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by tam View Post
They have authority of the mountain, but indirectly. It's just like it was with ASC... they own the mountain, they don't manage the mountain... there is a big difference which many people do not realize. Steamboat is one of Intrawest's brands if you will. The brand manages itself fairly independently, while still aligning itself with the owner's policies and desires. Maybe not the greatest example since Fortress isn't public, but think of it like how GM owns Chevy and Buick, only on a much smaller scale. So when it comes to terrain openings, Intrawest doesn't really have anything to do with the decision, Ski Corp. makes those decisions... sure if Intrawest wanted to they could give the resort an initiative to open x% of the mtn by x date, but for the most part, it is up to the mountain's management company to operate as they see fit.

and edit: intrawest doesn't own the mountain from the real estate perspective, they own the business Steamboat Ski & Resort... just clarifying your real estate question there, mtn is mostly forest service land to which Steamboat has the permits.
Fortress Investment Group is indeed a publically traded company, actually two publically traded companies and Intrawest purchased the Steamboat Ski Corp in March of last year.

When Intrawest purchased the Boat for 262m(?) it included much of the real estate properties at the base. Most resorts out west lease the land from the USFS

I worked for ASC for 4 years and they did control much of the pursestrings at their resorts including the Boat. All the large vendors who sell products or provide services at the ASC resorts have to go thru Park City even if the vendor is located in the same town as the resort. Sometimes the resorts took care of the process, sometimes they didn't.

From the front lines it might seem that the ski corp works independently but from the offices of upper management I bet Intrawest is in control and Fortress controls Intrawest.
post #21 of 21
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From the front lines it might seem that the ski corp works independently but from the offices of upper management I bet Intrawest is in control and Fortress controls Intrawest.
Not saying they're not in control, they have the money, thus they have complete control... just trying to clarify the company hierarchy. I like to think of it as Intrawest owns the brands, the brands manage themselves in line with the owners wishes... if the brand is managing itself well and making the owners money, the owners will take more of a backseat since the brand is doing well without intervention... if the brand needs help or maybe the owner sees an opportunity to capitalize on, they'll take a little more control and influence. Powdr's takeover of Killington... example of the owner taking full control and completely restructuring the resort. Steamboat on the other hand... with Intrawest, the ownership change isn't as apparent (by the way, I don't work the 'front line', I'm in finance). For the most part staffing and roles are just like they were under ASC, our image remains the same, our marketing is still targeted at the same demographic we've been going after all along, products remain consistent with what they were under ASC (of course, a few improvements on-mtn have been done, but they were in the masterplan before Intrawest came on board). Sure down the road there will be more noticeable changes, but so far it seems Intrawest likes how we manage ourselves, so they aren't micro-managing us like Powdr did with Killington... they're kind of letting us continue what we've been doing all along and giving us a few more tools where they think we could use their help. And sure if we start falling below expectations, they'll take a more controlling role and we'll see more of their influence.
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