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SPOILER--Beaver Creek Live SG results

post #1 of 13
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After 24 skiers (Bode Miller was bib #21) it's:

1. Hannes Reichelt (AUT)
2. Mario Scheiber (AUT) +.02
3. Gruber (AUT) +0.21
4. Walchhofer (AUT) +0.34
Benni Raich (AUT) + 0.34 (Tie)

20. Bode Miller (US) +1.40

Reichelt won it (so far) by carrying a lot of speed before the third interval and finishing it faster between the third interval and the finish. Miller was slower at the first interval and lost more time at every interval until the final section, where he was actually faster than Reichelt.

It's looking, so far, like close to an Austrian sweep (but Albrecht, Nyman and Ligety have yet to go.)
post #2 of 13
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It's looking, so far, like close to an Austrian sweep (but Albrecht, Nyman and Ligety have yet to go.)
Now Albrecht, Nyman and Ligety have all skied:

Albrecht is fourth, ahead of Walchhofer and Raich.

Nyman was .66 off the pace at the final interval (but carrying more speed than the leader) but was a DNF between the third interval and the finish.

McCartney finished over 3 seconds out, having lost 2.5 seconds at the end, between the third interval and the finish.

Ligety is 1.09 seconds out, in 21st place, 2 places ahead of Bode Miller.

Not so good a showing for the US so far in Super-G, on the home turf.
post #3 of 13
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Almost Total US bust

TJ Lanning was a full second behind at the first interval and ended up as a DNF.

Andrew Weibrecht was doing well, only 0.69 off the pace at the final interval (despite skiing with bib 53) but was also a DNF. I just hope, with all the US DNFs, that none of them got hurt.

Austria had the top three, and five of the top six, finishers. Between them, Austria and Switzerland had 11 of the top 16. The only North Americans in that group were:

Jan Hudec (CAN) tied for ninth
Francois Borque (CAN) tied for 13th
John Kucera (CAN) 15th.

Bode Miller barely finished in the points, at 30th, and Ted Ligety ended up 23rd. Nyman and Weibrecht were on track for top 15 finishes before they ended up DNF between the last interval and the finish.
post #4 of 13
Damn...wtf
post #5 of 13
Bode and Rahlves leave team, team lacks leadership, Bode lacks people unforgivingly riding him hard and keeping him in a strict structured program. As a result all suffer, no one does good. Has to be!
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Bode and Rahlves leave team, team lacks leadership, Bode lacks people unforgivingly riding him hard and keeping him in a strict structured program. As a result all suffer, no one does good. Has to be!
I'm not sure about that. First, on the leadership thing, I think the others on the USST are doing better than when Rahlves and Miller were there as top dogs: There's way more depth, and even beyond Ligety, several guys (Sullivan, Weibrecht, maybe even Nyman) showing stronger results so far than last year.

You may be right about Miller, but he's actually shown improvement so far in slalom and combined and in being able to finish races--yesterday's GS hike notwithstanding; even Raich has hiked this season. Miller had a headwind in the first downhill and finished right with the other top guys who had a similar headwind. Miller hip checked on the second downhill (after nearly falling out of the start when a pole slipped) and still finished only 0.38 seconds back. He was fifth in the first GS (after a second run that was the second fastest) and made a mistake and had to hike in the second GS race. He was fourth in the combined this year, after not finishing a single combined last year.

So it looks to me like Miller (1) is on track in DH and can be competitive; (2) can be on the podium in GS; (3) is better (so far) this year in combined and slalom than he was last year.

I don't know why, though, he's doing poorly in SG. It was his best event last year, when he won the Super-G cup. Maybe his SG setup isn't dialed in. Or maybe he hasn't trained as much in Super-G because it's his "good" event. Or maybe something else.

The season is still young. As a Miller fan, I'd prefer to think he's skiing well, with flashes of brilliance, but just hasn't put down enough mistake-free runs for the podium, and that his Super-G results are the anomaly. There is, of course, an opposite argument. He's certainly far less dominant in the speed events than he's been in the last few years, and far less dominant in GS than he's typically begun the season.

Still, I'm not sure the departure from the USST hurt Bode. Stephan Eberharter (as I understand it from hearsay) was quite disaffected by and alienated from the Austrian coaching staff and system and decided to retire the year after he won the overall in the 2003-2004 season. US Ski racers, in recent times, who got top honors (Tommy Moe, Darron Rahlves) have generally retired early.

Miller is doing it his way, and if he were still chafing under the system and rules at the USST, in addition with his frustration at the results so far, he might have additional frustrations with how he was being coached and trained. As an independant, that's on him this year.

All that said, I suspect that it does somewhat change the coaching dynamics when, instead of taking "orders" from the USST coaching staff (in quotes because Bode's prior coaches have discussed how that has never worked with Miller) he is, in fact, discussing "suggestions" with a coach who his is employee, and over whom Miller has hiring and firing ability.
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Has to be!
::: Me thinks one must look past the star. Here is a prime example of a lack of leadership.

post #8 of 13
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I don't know why, though, he's doing poorly in SG.
Actually, Skiracing.com now reports that it was an equipment issue in this latest race:

"Bode Miller ripped an edge off his ski and had no chance. "It just folded the edge over the front half of the ski. … There was like nothing there." He said he basically skied the rest of the course on one ski. He continued on for the final Cup point in 30th place."

Probably no one else in the world could ski a WC Super-G with damaged equipment and still finish in the points, only 1.4 seconds off the pace.
post #9 of 13
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Actually, Skiracing.com now reports that it was an equipment issue in this latest race:

"Bode Miller ripped an edge off his ski and had no chance. "It just folded the edge over the front half of the ski. … There was like nothing there." He said he basically skied the rest of the course on one ski. He continued on for the final Cup point in 30th place."

Probably no one else in the world could ski a WC Super-G with damaged equipment and still finish in the points, only 1.4 seconds off the pace.
Wow...not good, he must be furious, you know how he is with gear. I am surprised with HEAD.
post #10 of 13
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Wow...not good, he must be furious, you know how he is with gear. I am surprised with HEAD.
I don't know. Depends on how he ripped the edge. Hit a rock or the base of a gate, with a ski, at 60 mph, and you've probably exceeded the tolerances.
post #11 of 13
Head built a "bomb proof" ski ....... back in the 60's .... relative to the wood and sintered edges ... back then.

This is now ... what is so special about Head? And yes I was on Head till the mid 80's .... cause compared to K2 .... they were more durable. Not faster ... just more durable ... compared to K2 or the Olin and "honeycomb" stuff.
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what is so special about Head?
If you have to ask.
post #13 of 13
I know that your Hart was in the right place. Head is ..... well ... it's

it's ... it's .... : pause for a Rudy Guliani moment ...
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