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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am looking to buy some skis for my fiance for christmas. I snowboard; therefore I am pretty clueless when it comes to skis. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

She has been skiing for a long time so she goes decently fast but is unable to consistently carve. Lots of skidded turns. Hopefully a lesson this season will help her out with that. She currently has Dynastar Exclusive 8 and they seem a bit soft for her. She complains about chatter at decent speeds.

Her Stats:
Gender: female
Height: 5'3''
Weight: to scared to ask
Age: 30
Skiing ability: 7+
Location: Mid Atlantic (Mostly Pennsylvania, West Virginia. One trip out west every year) Machine made snow on groomers.
Price Range: < $500 (Cheaper is better)
Current Skis: Dynastar Exclusive 8

Thanks
post #2 of 21
Welcome to EpicSki!!
A Boyfriend who's getting skis for the lovely lady for Christmas. Awesome!
The first thing that comes to mind is, Make sure she has good boots first and then give her the opportunity to demo skis, but since I understand the element of surprising her with these for Christmas, I'll play along and give you some suggestions for an advanced woman skier.

There are a few that pop into mind immediately, but a lot of this choice depends on whether she would like a skinny ski or a mid fat, assuming that she won't want a fat ski for the East Coast skiing she's likely to encounter.

The top two picks for a mid fat-ish that carves well are
Elan Wave Spice See my review here
The other one is the Nordica Olympia Conquor.
Though there isn't a review here, there is one on SkiDiva, here

If you're looking at a skinny ripper, She can't go wrong with the Elan Speed Magic, Nordican Olympia Firefox or the Volkl Fuego.

The Blizzard I am currently in love with is the Titan EOS! Its 88 in the waist so its definitely in the higher end of the mid fat range, but a great ski to add to a quiver.

Hope this helps. I'll probably think of more stuff to post later, and I look forward to more questions.
Fire away!!
post #3 of 21
It's cool that Trekchick is here to advise you, as I believe that skiers of similar physical characteristics have the best insight for each other. I am a guy, but short and light, so I share a few qualities.

that being said: another very popular ski line, and one that is on sale a lot this year due to the fact that Rossignol over-produced on a poor ski year (last year), is the Bandit series, the B-3 and B-4, men's and women's models. Rossi has superior construction (note the detail in the tip and tails and mounting area) and has always been among the best for vibration dampening. (I think a small skier has greater sensitivity to vibration issues.) The quality manifests in a ski with a long life. The sidecut is an elegant design and makes for very smooth carving, and will encourage your lady friend to carve. rossi is a master at getting the stiffness right, which has made the Bandit series one of the most popular skis for over 20 years. I'm going on, sorry, but I would demo these if you get a chance.

IMO, a wide ski will work on groomers beautifully. The inverse can not be said of a narrow ski. good luck.
post #4 of 21
You didn't state how long the Exclusive 8s are but if they are the right length they should be fine for her ability. Lessons will help but so will a good tune. I'm not sure what the standard side bevel is for those skis but many Dynastars have a 1 degree side bevel. I use a 2 degree side bevel on my carving skis and many of the eastern bears use a 3 degree side bevel. I'd put a 2 or 3 degree side bevel on those skis, sharpen the edges, give them a good waxing and have her try them out.
post #5 of 21
I second Trek's statement about boots. Onto skis though, I was on the Exclusive 8 last season, and I can see what she meant about chattering at higher speeds. I got a pair of Fischer Vision 70s based on fantastic reviews, they sounded like what I was looking for. Although I'm a big fan of demoing, I didn't get a chance to try these out, but found a great price in the off season for them. I'd highly recommend them, they have no issues zooming down the hill. Any guesses about her weight so we can recommend a length? What length are her current skis?

There are still new 06/07 Vision 70s around for great prices. Lemme know if you need links.
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by trekchick View Post
Welcome to EpicSki!!
A Boyfriend who's getting skis for the lovely lady for Christmas. Awesome!
The first thing that comes to mind is, Make sure she has good boots first and then give her the opportunity to demo skis, but since I understand the element of surprising her with these for Christmas, I'll play along and give you some suggestions for an advanced woman skier.

There are a few that pop into mind immediately, but a lot of this choice depends on whether she would like a skinny ski or a mid fat, assuming that she won't want a fat ski for the East Coast skiing she's likely to encounter.

The top two picks for a mid fat-ish that carves well are
Elan Wave Spice See my review here
The other one is the Nordica Olympia Conquor.
Though there isn't a review here, there is one on SkiDiva, here

If you're looking at a skinny ripper, She can't go wrong with the Elan Speed Magic, Nordican Olympia Firefox or the Volkl Fuego.

The Blizzard I am currently in love with is the Titan EOS! Its 88 in the waist so its definitely in the higher end of the mid fat range, but a great ski to add to a quiver.

Hope this helps. I'll probably think of more stuff to post later, and I look forward to more questions.
Fire away!!
Thanks for the help trekchick. I wonder if your recommendations may be a bit too much ski for her? I don't think she is quite advanced yet. More like advanced-intermediate. She still skids her turns quite a bit. Any recommendations for a little less ski?
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by num View Post
I second Trek's statement about boots. Onto skis though, I was on the Exclusive 8 last season, and I can see what she meant about chattering at higher speeds. I got a pair of Fischer Vision 70s based on fantastic reviews, they sounded like what I was looking for. Although I'm a big fan of demoing, I didn't get a chance to try these out, but found a great price in the off season for them. I'd highly recommend them, they have no issues zooming down the hill. Any guesses about her weight so we can recommend a length? What length are her current skis?

There are still new 06/07 Vision 70s around for great prices. Lemme know if you need links.

Her current skis are 158. Her weight? She wears a size 8 in womens clothing so I guess 130 - 140? I hope she doesn't see this. She already has boots.
post #8 of 21
I'd keep her in 158s. Here's a nice deal on them: http://www.skiersoutlet.com/index.ph...shop&Itemid=32

Here's a detailed review from the ski diva forum: http://www.theskidiva.com/forums/showthread.php?t=935

Also, see if she'd like to join us over on the ski diva. Tons of information, and a great place to feed a ski addiction and help it (and your quiver) grow!
post #9 of 21
It sounds to me as if the level 7+ thing might be a little overstated. Perhaps a L-6?? I have been testing skis as part of my job for most of my adult life and I test women's skis every year. (fortunately I have a woman that works with me to help with that part.......)

IAC....the factors that will help her carve will be in order of importance

(a) Lessons to keep her from leaning into the hill and tossing her hip to initiate the turn.
(b) A properly tuned ski regardless of what the ski is.
(c) A proper boot that holds her foot securely and positions her properly.
(d) The proper ski for your/her priorities.

Your question is about (d) When it comes to improving carving, the first thing to consider is shape. A ski with more shape will help the skier more than a ski with less. Second you want to consider flex. The flex needs to be consistent with her ability and weight. Too stiff and she won't bend it, too soft and she will overpower it. Third is width. In the strictest sense, the skis that will help her the most while she is learning what edge angle is about will be narrower rather than wider.

You need to make sure what your/her priorities are. IF they are about improving her carving skiils, then the ski you select should be one with substantial shape, a fairly narrow waist, and a flex she can manage. A ski of that sort will be the best choice for what she does the most while skiing in your home region. IF you are seeking a ski to excell in softer, western snow, the choice will be different and will not help much in the first case. IF you are looking for a combination of the those attributes, the choice will be different yet again and will not truly excell at either of the first two situations but will be OK at both.

SJ
post #10 of 21
FWIW I got my skis from the skier's outlet (same model, but 152) and they had good quick service.

K.
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
About the level 7+ thing. I went by the "Read First Ski Gear Advice (FAQ)" thread:

6 - wedge christy 3 (wedge turn with a matching of the skis before the fall line, just to initiate the turn)
7 - open parallel, skiided turns
8 - carved turns, dynamic skiing

According to that she is somewhere between 7 and 8.

Anyways, thanks all. Especially num. I read the reviews and it sounds like a good match for her. I just ordered them from skier's outlet. It is kind of sad if she has to wait until 12/25 to get to use them.
post #12 of 21
Hi I'm going to second Sierra Jim on this one. A ski with a fat shovel, skinny waist (proportinate to the shovel width) and moderate tail will work best for a struggling carver.
The second thing is the "boots". While chatter can be a sign of a ski that is too soft torsionaly, it has been my experience that more often it is a result of the boot being to big or to stiff and her hips being behind her feet not over them. It doesn't have to be a hugh amount because a womens femur length is already longer than a mans, hence if her feet lead her down and into the fall line she is almost forced to throw her hips to initate her turns. Skis chatter and tips tend to cross when your not balanced over the sweet spot. This happens if you are a female or male. Usually when this is most evident is when they are on steeper terrain or moguls. Check her boot fit and flex. (Refer to the boot fit guy's.) Most every body wants to place blame on the skis alot of times it's the boot fit. I see it in the ladies I teach, and the kids I coach. AS for skis the Conquer may be a little burley, but that shovel really pulls you into the new turn!! I would recomend a lesson with a qualified instructor or coach to get her hips centered over her feet and skis.

P.S. You get hugh brownie points for wanting to get your girlfriend something that nice for Christmas. My guy always defaults boring jewelry. I am so jealous! I hope she knows how luck she is to have such a thoughtful guy!!!
post #13 of 21
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Originally Posted by tmotos9 View Post
Thanks for the help trekchick. I wonder if your recommendations may be a bit too much ski for her? I don't think she is quite advanced yet. More like advanced-intermediate. She still skids her turns quite a bit. Any recommendations for a little less ski?
As always, Sierra Jim has trumped my hand. But then, it looks like Num has set you up and you've pulled the trigger.

Report back to let us know how she liked them!
post #14 of 21
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Originally Posted by tmotos9 View Post
She has been skiing for a long time so she goes decently fast but is unable to consistently carve. Lots of skidded turns. Hopefully a lesson this season will help her out with that. She currently has Dynastar Exclusive 8 and they seem a bit soft for her. She complains about chatter at decent speeds.

Her Stats:
Gender: female
Height: 5'3''
Weight: to scared to ask
Age: 30
Skiing ability: 7+
Location: Mid Atlantic (Mostly Pennsylvania, West Virginia. One trip out west every year) Machine made snow on groomers.
Price Range: < $500 (Cheaper is better)
Current Skis: Dynastar Exclusive 8

Thanks
It sounds like she should use a little bit more ski than the 8. If she wants faster then she should look for a longer turning radius and longer ski. Maybe somethign heavier and stiffer too. I don't know if the vi70 is that ski, but it might at least feel a little more stable than the 8. Probably should just try a demo. This is assuming that her boots are fitting well and everything else is good to go.
post #15 of 21
Nice choice!!! Great sidecut ! Congratulation! You got a winner, those skis will surely get you something extra special under the mistletoe!!!!!
post #16 of 21
Remember, if she loves them, then the SkiDivas get credit. If she doesn't , then Num gets the blame.
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
Update...
I broke down and gave her the skis since we went to Snowshoe, WV 12/15 - 12/18. It was an excellent trip where we had different conditions for four days:
12/15 - night skiing at Silver Creek on hard pack / ice.
12/16 - hard pack / snow falling with heavy wind gusts
12/17 - 8 inches of fresh pow
12/18 - man-made

She loved the skis in every condition. She had a rough season last year which ended with her turning her ankle at Breckenridge during our last trip of the season. It was the first time in a couple of seasons that we rode non-stop for four hour stretches at a time where she was beating me down some runs. I don't know if the skis made that much of a difference. Either way she really enjoyed them.
Again, thanks for the recommendation.
post #18 of 21
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Originally Posted by tmotos9 View Post
Thanks for the help trekchick. I wonder if your recommendations may be a bit too much ski for her? I don't think she is quite advanced yet. More like advanced-intermediate. She still skids her turns quite a bit. Any recommendations for a little less ski?
My wife, who is a solid 7 but not aggressive at all, also has the Eos and fell in love with it from the first turn.
post #19 of 21
Tmotos9, If your not sure that she is using the ski to potential, then maybe a half day lesson is in order. I think the more important issue here is she having fun on the skis? In general if she is having a fun experience vs struggling for every turn then consider your purchase a success!! Kudos!
post #20 of 21
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Originally Posted by tmotos9 View Post
Update...
I broke down and gave her the skis since we went to Snowshoe, WV 12/15 - 12/18. It was an excellent trip where we had different conditions for four days:
12/15 - night skiing at Silver Creek on hard pack / ice.
12/16 - hard pack / snow falling with heavy wind gusts
12/17 - 8 inches of fresh pow
12/18 - man-made

She loved the skis in every condition.
She had a rough season last year which ended with her turning her ankle at Breckenridge during our last trip of the season. It was the first time in a couple of seasons that we rode non-stop for four hour stretches at a time where she was beating me down some runs. I don't know if the skis made that much of a difference. Either way she really enjoyed them.
Again, thanks for the recommendation.
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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Remember, if she loves them, then the SkiDivas get credit. If she doesn't , then Num gets the blame.
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Originally Posted by perma-grin View Post
Tmotos9, If your not sure that she is using the ski to potential, then maybe a half day lesson is in order. I think the more important issue here is she having fun on the skis? In general if she is having a fun experience vs struggling for every turn then consider your purchase a success!! Kudos!
Looks like someone did a good job with the gift. Glad we could help.

Next, conquer the whole mountain! Then.........The world!!!
post #21 of 21
Glad she's enjoying them!

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Originally Posted by Trekchick View Post
Remember, if she loves them, then the SkiDivas get credit. If she doesn't , then Num gets the blame.
Looks like another victory for the divas, then!
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