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Tremblant vs. Jay Peak - What would you do?

post #1 of 19
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So I have a dillema on my hands. Within the next 24-48 hours, I will be deciding on my season pass for this year. I have two options: a discounted 7 mountain pass for MSSI (Mont Sainte Sauveur, Jay Peak, Edelweiss, etc), or the T-66 pass for Tremblant. Both will be about the same amount of money.

Info on the T-66 pass: http://www.tremblant.ca/tickets/seasonpass/t_66-e.htm

Tremblant Pass:
+ closer to Ottawa
+ familiarity of terrain/location
+ less r**n
+ better grooming/on piste snow quality
+ more high speed lifts
+ full service resort
+ I have Starwood points to burn on free nights at the Westin Tremblant
- very little tree skiing
- can be wickedly cold
- limited to a certain number of Fortress assigned days to ski
- expensive food, free parking looks to be going the way of the dodo

MSSI Pass:
+ less money
+ unrestricted, ski every day
+ includes a small area ~30 mins from home
+ HUGE dumps of snow at Jay
+ tree skiing is some of the best around
+ lots of cheap lodging available in the area around Jay
- much further away than Tremblant (3.5 hours vs. 2 hours)
- old, slow lifts
- lots of wind-related closures for summit lifts
- exposed terrain gets snow blown off off groomed trails into the trees
- Montreal traffic to deal with to and from
- could get busy with renewed popularity
- border crossing hassles

Anyone in a similar situation that could comment? I'm not sure what to do.
post #2 of 19
If it's about skiing go to Jay.
post #3 of 19
I would take the pass with the closest skiing, even if it's on smaller hills. You will be able to make it out more often. There's nothing stopping you from buying a day pass for Tremblent now and then.
post #4 of 19
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I would take the pass with the closest skiing, even if it's on smaller hills. You will be able to make it out more often. There's nothing stopping you from buying a day pass for Tremblent now and then.
Very true. Had I been thinking earlier on in the year, I would have bought a T-66 pass and a cheap 79 dollar night pass for Camp Fortune. However, that 79 dollar night pass is now 279 and is no longer an option.

I really like Jay, but think the 3.5 hour drive would get old in a hurry. 2 hours (or less) to Tremblant seems doable on a regular basis.
post #5 of 19
Unfortunately I would have to say Tremblant.

Jay is great, but you have to get there from Ottawa. Tremblant is a day drive destination, Jay is not (or not every weekend unless you like getting thought Montreal traffic).

However Jay/MSSI pass can be a good deal. The question I have is, where did you ski last year and how far often did you go at these places?

PS. What I'm going at work today (snowstorm) + why are local hills closed on weekdays. :
post #6 of 19
I would have to say choose the place that suits the type of skiing you are looking to do. yes Jay would not be workable to do a day trip but every weekend or every other weekend is easily doable. Lodging will be less since the dollar benefits you now too. I would also look into getting into a ski house or club, that will make your lodging much cheaper.

I used to do ski houses every year and being based in Boston we always had to deal with crappy traffic up and back. Most of the season we did the 2.5 hour away North Conway, NH locals but then skiied Sunday River (another hour away from our rental) each Saturday. One season I did Killington and even though the drive up was longer it was very doable each weekend.

Good luck!
post #7 of 19
Hey N8M.

I'm from Ottawa area as well. I agree some of he other replies that Jay is pretty awesome, but you have to be realistic with yourself. It's a hellish drive to Jay. If what we have going on today is any indication of the winter we are going to have, it's even going to be more hellish. Won't be much fun for you, or those close to you, if you are constantly on the road in bad driving conditions.

Unless you are planning going back and forth to Jay on a regular basis mid-week, you'll run into the same old annoying week-end crowd at either location.

As you well know, our local ski conditions were pretty crappy last year, so my son and I went to Tremblant about 20 times. As long as you are on the road at 6:00am you can get up there well before 8:30. Ski straight thru til 3:30 with a couple of short snack & fluid breaks. We always try to get to the Edge by noon for the whole afternoon as it is less crowded for some reason. We Have lunch at the end of the day and you can be back to Ottawa by 6:30. You will get more than enough skiing in in that amount of time.

Please realize that I'm not trying to trash-talk Jay. I've been there and it's a great place to ski. I just think you may want to make it a place to go stay for a few days a couple of times over the winter as opposed to your regular hill.

For what it's worth, this is only one mans opinion. I'm sure that whatever decision you end up making ... as long as it invoves skiiing, it will be an enjoyable experience and well worth it.

RMP.
post #8 of 19

A bit of both!

I agree with you that it is a hard decision. Also being in Ottawa these are my places I love to ski at. 2 hours to Tremblant makes day skiing a possibility. Jay Peak at 3 1/2 if you are lucky with weather and the border that is not possible. Jay is where my heart lies in the east but why not go down for a couple of the big storms. Get yout tickets at Tommy and LeFebvre for cheap. Try Sutton out sometime too. Not as big as Jay but great snow and wonderful trees with a great atmosphere.
post #9 of 19
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Unfortunately I would have to say Tremblant.

Jay is great, but you have to get there from Ottawa. Tremblant is a day drive destination, Jay is not (or not every weekend unless you like getting thought Montreal traffic).

However Jay/MSSI pass can be a good deal. The question I have is, where did you ski last year and how far often did you go at these places?

PS. What I'm going at work today (snowstorm) + why are local hills closed on weekdays. :
That's exactly what i'm thinking. I'd like a pass that gives me the flexibility to go for a quick day trip. If I was going to Jay for the day, that would mean leaving at 4:30AM and getting home at 8:30AM. Makes for a long day, especially after thrashing around in the trees.

I just moved to Ottawa this past spring, so no skiing around here last year. As for the local hills, they will open during the week once things kick in to high gear.
post #10 of 19
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I would have to say choose the place that suits the type of skiing you are looking to do. yes Jay would not be workable to do a day trip but every weekend or every other weekend is easily doable. Lodging will be less since the dollar benefits you now too. I would also look into getting into a ski house or club, that will make your lodging much cheaper.

I used to do ski houses every year and being based in Boston we always had to deal with crappy traffic up and back. Most of the season we did the 2.5 hour away North Conway, NH locals but then skiied Sunday River (another hour away from our rental) each Saturday. One season I did Killington and even though the drive up was longer it was very doable each weekend.

Good luck!
As much as it kills me to say it, Tremblant with it's good grooming and wide variety of terrain probably suits me better.

I don't own any wide skis (63 and 70mm at the waist for the two pairs I have in circulation), and would probably have a tough go in the trees. The ski house idea isn't too bad, I may have to look into it for the future.
post #11 of 19
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I agree with you that it is a hard decision. Also being in Ottawa these are my places I love to ski at. 2 hours to Tremblant makes day skiing a possibility. Jay Peak at 3 1/2 if you are lucky with weather and the border that is not possible. Jay is where my heart lies in the east but why not go down for a couple of the big storms. Get yout tickets at Tommy and LeFebvre for cheap. Try Sutton out sometime too. Not as big as Jay but great snow and wonderful trees with a great atmosphere.
Agreed, and thanks for the tip on T&L for cheap tickets. ALTHOUGH I did have a pretty poor customer service experience there yesterday due to some rude staff.
post #12 of 19
Another place where I like to do daytrips from Ottawa is Whiteface (3 hours). Very doable and you don't have to deal with Montreal. This said, I skied 6 times at MRG, 5 others day in New England last year (not counting New York state of course) which required a return from the mountain straight to Ottawa (not easy when you're tired).
post #13 of 19
What are the nearby locations that go with the Jay pass? Do any have a location within an hour? I find you will spend a lot more time skiing if you have a pass for some place close, because you can go for a couple of hours when you are too busy to take a full day and feel the trip is worthwhile.
post #14 of 19
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What are the nearby locations that go with the Jay pass? Do any have a location within an hour? I find you will spend a lot more time skiing if you have a pass for some place close, because you can go for a couple of hours when you are too busy to take a full day and feel the trip is worthwhile.
Edelweiss is the local place.

Not bad, but not great either.
post #15 of 19
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Edelweiss is the local place.

Not bad, but not great either.
If you're used to skiing bigger, Edelweiss is....small. Great if you have kids (however I have any negatives regarding this from personal experience).

Even if it's small, I place it in the top2 of the 4 small locals within 30-40 minutes from downtown. Night skiing pass (a full time pass (Edelweiss only) is fairly cheap, you might want to combine that with a Tremblant T-66).
post #16 of 19
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If you're used to skiing bigger, Edelweiss is....small. Great if you have kids (however I have any negatives regarding this from personal experience).

Even if it's small, I place it in the top2 of the 4 small locals within 30-40 minutes from downtown. Night skiing pass (a full time pass (Edelweiss only) is fairly cheap, you might want to combine that with a Tremblant T-66).
Yeah, i've been out there a couple of times already and they seem really slow in opening new terrain. Even after all of the snow!

I really should have bought the cheap Fortune 79 dollar night pass when I had the chance. Oh well, next year!
post #17 of 19
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Yeah, i've been out there a couple of times already and they seem really slow in opening new terrain. Even after all of the snow!
Last year they really screwed up (I think I know the reason, but not sure) I know many passes holders that were thinking twice about getting another pass there this year because of it.
post #18 of 19
Whatever else you do, and I guess it depends on how many days you will be able to use the pass at Tremblant or Jay, you should get an anytime pass for the local hill.
post #19 of 19
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Whatever else you do, and I guess it depends on how many days you will be able to use the pass at Tremblant or Jay, you should get an anytime pass for the local hill.
Disagree, unless you plan to ski mainly local. Local passes (except Edelweiss) are pretty expensive for what you're getting. I've been living in Ottawa for the last 12 seasons and only had a local pass 3 times, even if I ski between 40-60 days a season.

T-66 is a good deal, just needs a couple of days before it's paid off, however you have to be flexible time wise.
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