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post #31 of 38
Ok i know I am reserecting about a year old but i have got about the same issues ad the original poster I have an Apex that is just not warm enough. It is not near as warm as any of the fleeces i have and it dose not breath enofe.. if it just had pit zips (and why are pit zips so hard to find now?)

Basically it boils down to i want something as wind resentment as the apex, warmer, hopefully with pit zips and a smooth surface to keep off a light rain, is there such an animal?

I was looking on clowdveils website and was looking at the Zero-G jacket but did not know how wind proof it was.. I would put wind proof the highest on my list of priority's.
post #32 of 38
I've got a Patagonia Light Smoke Flash jacket that I picked up for half of mid-last season (web specials on their website). I absolutely love it. The pit zips allow some wind to leak through but there wasn't a single day last year where if I threw it over a mid-weight base layer and my monkey man jacket that I'd end up overheating. I ski pretty hard through so your milage may vary, but this was in Colorado where there was nary a warm day last year.
post #33 of 38
I have seen the light smoke flash jacket, I am actually looking for something warmer
post #34 of 38
I don't understand - you can't wear your fleeces under the apex jacket? Or you want a softshell/fleece combo that's warm enough to wear over just a baselayer? The light smoke works great over a down/primaloft sweater. I don't think you'll be able to find a very warm, uninsulated softshell - the whole point is they breath better, but they're still just 'shells'. The mountain hardwear alchemy and arc'teryx gamma shells are the most substantial ones i've seen.
post #35 of 38
I want a windproof/softshell that is as warm as a fleece. that has pit zips I am most likely looking for an insulated soft sell
post #36 of 38
For those that really want to beat this topic to death, here's a link to Mark Verber's lengthy analysis of layering options. He has really put some thought into it and I agree with most of his recommendations and conclusions.


BTW, in response to the original poster, I have both a fancy, high-end Mammut softshell (Cerro Torre) and a TNF Apex Bionic. The Cerro Torre is made from a tougher fabric (WB400) and has better stain resistance and DWR than the Apex Bionic. However, I have never managed to damage or stain either jacket (so the additional toughness of the Cerro Torre is of marginal value) and both jackets provide equal warmth and breathe equally well. In hindsight, I'm sorry I spent $160+ to get a high-end softshell jacket that, for the most part, duplicates the features I already had in my $90 TNF softshell. The $ could have been better spent on a new set of bindings.

post #37 of 38
The Cloudveil Zero-G has all of the things that everyone seems to like about a softshell - Stretch, looks, windproof, water resistant/waterproof - but also has some Primoloft insulation to make it warm. The inside is finished in nylon so it doesn't stick to the baselayer like my other softshell (Marmot Ascent). It has all of the right pockets, goggles, sunglasses, large inner storage, seperate pocket for iPod and two hand warmer pockets plus a chest pocket. I has pit zips although they are not huge ones. I'm not a big fan of the traditional ski jacket. They have always been too warm for me. I used to ski with just a fleece on clear days and gore-tex shell on the wet ones. The wind on the chair was brutal though, especially when I was sweaty. This jacket seems to cover everything except those beautiful spring days that are above 30 degrees. I layer a powerstretch midweight shirt underneath and have been perfect on even the coldest days. Like I said though, on the warmer days, this jacket is not the most breathable and is a little too much. For those days, just a fleece or traditional softshell will do.
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