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What would you pay for this bike?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Here is the discription, I took out the make and model, what would a bike with these features and componants be worth? (If You know exactly, what the bike is and its price, please don't spoil the thread )



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This Road Bike features a custom 7005 alloy frame with Carbon rear seat stays, Shimano® 105 Flight Deck 18-speed component group with Dual Control Levers for shifting and braking from the same hand position, customized FSA double chainring gearing and cranks, and a Kinesis RF-40 Carbon fork. This is a European inspired road racing bicycle with the latest in aluminum and carbon fiber technology that delivers an impressive performance package.
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Features:
  • Frame: Custom designed 7005 aluminum with Carbon fiber seat stays. This offers a perfect balance of a stiff yet smooth ride. The frame includes a replaceable derailleur hanger and two water bottle mounts
  • Fork: Kinesis Carbon RF-40
  • Drive-train: Shimano 105 Front and rear derailleurs, Dual control shifters. FSA Gossamer 53/39 crank set. The rear cassette is a 12-26 and this combination of gearing will give the rider all the gearing they need to climb even the tallest hills
  • Wheels: Shimano 550 alloy 16 Spoke front and 20 Spoke rear. Lightweight and stiff
  • Saddle: Custom design with Titanium rails
Specifications:
  • Color: Custom Red, Black and silver
  • Frame: Custom designed 7005 aluminum with Carbon fiber seat stays
  • Fork: Kinesis RF-40 carbon fiber
  • Headset: Cane Creek alloy 1-1/8 Black
  • Stem: Custom NVO easy adjust Forged alloy 7 degree rise 31.8 clamp
  • Handlebars: Deda-Big Piega 6061 aluminum 42cm-44cm-46cm sized for each frame size. Satin Black
  • Tape: Velo Cork with gel. Black
  • Brakes: Shimano 105 Super SLR dual pivot action
  • Brake Levers: Shimano 105 Dual control with STI
  • Front Derailleur: Shimano 105
  • Rear Derailleur: Shimano 105
  • Shift Levers: Shimano 105 Dual control with STI
  • Cassette: Sram PG-950 12-26T 9Speed
  • Chain: KMC 9000 Super Narrow
  • Crankset: FSA Gossamer ISIS cold forged 53/39T
  • Bottom Bracket: FSA ISIS Platinum Pro
  • Pedals: VP Alloy Clip in road specific with cleats
  • Wheels: Shimano 550 Alloy 16 Spoke front, 20 Spoke rear
  • Tires: Hutchinson Quartz 700x23 with Kevlar bead
  • Saddle: Custom embroidered with titanium rails. Black
  • Seat post: Carbon Fiber with alloy forged head. 31.6
  • Bike weight: Just 19 Pounds for a 53cm
  • Includes: Chain-stay protector, reflectors, clear coat and owners manual
post #2 of 24
$900.00
post #3 of 24
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
$900.00

And you'd overpay....
post #4 of 24
A full 105 build is not bad stuff...and I didn't want to ruin Phil's thread with a ridiculously low price, which can be found, right off the bat.

This is a case where the manufacturer... well the brand name, makes all the difference. If the bike is a Special-ed or a Trek it will cost more than a KHS or Ironhorse or Motobecane, and it should.
post #5 of 24
Sounds like a Nashbar or Performance house-brand special, or maybe something on SAC, not that there's anything wrong with that. Components are decent but dated -- everything 9-speed is basically a leftover -- no compact crank, lowest gear is 13-26, not really low enough for an old fart in hilly country, the frame sounds high tech but these are being pumped out of China in large numbers, sometimes decaled with fancy names. I know this makes me sound like the elitist poser that I am, and actually you could certainly have fun with this bike. But you could find something just as nice for about the same $ at your LBS, try it out for fit, have someplace to go for warranty issues, and maybe have a little customizing done (swapout of stem, seat, cassette) for no extra dough. $900 sounds about right for the asking price.
post #6 of 24
I would also say $900.00 to $1,000 is what I would expect to see. Keep in mind it is not a "full" 105 build. They even skimped on the cassette and chain. 9 spd is also a definite downer for me as well. Unless this bike was being sold for under $600.00 I would pass on it. Unless you are an experienced rider who under stands fit and correct assembly I would recommend passing on any mail order bike and spend a few more bucks to buy it from a local bike. There support could be priceless.
post #7 of 24
my lips are sealed!
post #8 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks Lonnie :
post #9 of 24
If you're just riding for fun and don't care about resale value, 9 speed is not really a problem is it?

Agreed re dealing with a local bikeshop -- in principle -- BUT it's also quite possible if you can find the frame geometry and know it will work for you to get a great mailorder or ebay deal.

On sizing and geometry -- see bike fit calculators at www.competitivecyclist.com and www.wrenchscience.com . It takes some patience but if you take measurements and work through all the numbers, you'll get a good sense of what kind of geometry and sizing will work for you. Just knowing a frame size leaves out a lot. If you know a workable range of top tube length, standover height, etc. from these web sites you CAN find something that will work -- maybe you'll end up swapping to a different stem size but you'll get into the range.
post #10 of 24
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
Thanks Lonnie :
Opps! Sorry, I didn't read the instructions!
post #11 of 24
New or Used????

New.. $400-450 based on NO name or brand and only the information you have provided.

Used.. hard to say but sub $350.

If you know what to look for, are patient and willing to invest a little time wheeling and dealing you can find name brand bikes with the same specs for maybe $50 more than my guess. Look for leftovers, they can be great deals. You may think my guess is a lowball- but they can be had below this price on Ebay if your dilligent. More importantly- get something that fits!!
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by ts01 View Post
If you're just riding for fun and don't care about resale value, 9 speed is not really a problem is it?
Problem no, but with 10speed bikes out there in the same price arena why go 9?

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Originally Posted by ts01 View Post
Agreed re dealing with a local bikeshop -- in principle -- BUT it's also quite possible if you can find the frame geometry and know it will work for you to get a great mailorder or ebay deal.
Agreed but I have to think that MOST buyers at this price point are entry level and do not know what will work best. If they have to buy a few components to make the fit work and get a shop to fix there assembly snafu's they have lost whatever savings they had.
post #13 of 24
Frame sounds decent, but I last bought a road bike seven years ago when carbon was more exotic than steel. Now that 10-speed 105 is out, I'd be disinclined to buy anything with a 9-speed group. It'll get hard to replace parts. Second the opinion on the crank and cassette being nothing special. Wheels aren't especially well-reviewed, and list for a $200-$250 on the 'net. I've never heard of the pedal and therefore distrust it.

I'd want to get the bike down to $700. It seems like $600 road bikes don't come with 105 or very much carbon, but $900 seems way steep.
post #14 of 24
I found the bike...won't say where or what brand. Didn't know bikes by that name were being made. Veddy interesting.
post #15 of 24
Is it a Cadillac? I saw one with Ultegra shifters, brakes, derailliuers *and* crankset (I think) for $1100 at Costco, and was damn near tempted to buy it for just that. That's almost a better deal than what I can buy it all for as a shop employee, unless on the Shimano prodeal.
post #16 of 24
I don't know what this bike is, but I will say that there is a big diference between 10 spd and 9 spd 105, and it isn't just the extra gear. The 10 spd stuff is a higher level of quality than the 9 spd.
post #17 of 24
You would have to pay me to use 9 speed 105. The quality is so bad on the 9 speed.
post #18 of 24
Hey value is debatable. I had a Specialized Enduro FSR factory testbike that had disc brakes, 4-point rear suspension, CF seat, crazy CF suspension forks, 28 speed w/ triggers, crazy wheels and a bunch of extra stuff the factory was cooking up but hadn't put into production yet (got it from a guy who worked at Specialized)... long story short I had a roommate's friend drunkenly borrow it (while I was sleeping, obviously without permission) one night to ride home (too drunk to drive?!?) and supposedly crash it in the woods so hard he tore his ear off, : never to be found again (the bike- his ear was reattached successfully)... After trying to bribe my roommate to NOT tell me what happened to it, I found out anyways and dragged him out of a bar and made it very clear he was paying for it... So far, $1800 in bi-weekly payments... with more to come. Steep for a mountain bike, but still far less expensive than an extended stay in the ER, or a brand new one. Value is a condition of circumstance. In your case, you're asking a bunch of cheap skiers for an honest estimate- If you can't slide down a snowy mountain on it, don't throw it to these wolves and ask for a fair offer.: Ask a trustworthy local bike tech. They will give you a real number.
post #19 of 24
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Originally Posted by DoWork View Post
If you can't slide down a snowy mountain on it, don't throw it to these wolves and ask for a fair offer.: Ask a trustworthy local bike tech. They will give you a real number.
Trustworthy local bike tech here. I can say what I say to all the people who call the shop asking the exact same thing: I'd have to see the bike to value it's condition. If it's new, then brand names mean a lot to the value of a bike. That's why you see bikes like the Kona King Zing (full carbon, almost complete Ultegra build, Ksyrium Equipe wheels) selling for significantly less than bikes from a company with a more established road bike tradition like Specialized, Cannondale or Trek, which are less than Euro bikes from long-time road manufacturers like Colnago, Wilier or Cinelli.

From the look of the blurb, it appears to be a bike marketed towards those who aren't already into road bikes. Note the no-name saddle next to big names like Shimano and FSA, and the fact that it comes with pedals. The wording in the description of bike weight with no decimal point, and the usage of "just" 19 pounds. A 19 pound 53 cm carbon/aluminum road bike is not super light, I've built up steel frames to sub 17 completes without pedals.

I'd estimate the bike to be selling for $800-1000 from an online general sports store that caters primarily to middle-aged men. They will also carry skis, home basketball nets and hunting accessories, and are probably based out of the Midwest.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post
You would have to pay me to use 9 speed 105. The quality is so bad on the 9 speed.

Heh. Remember first-year Mirage? :
post #21 of 24
yeah what bobatt said- I meant that you will seriously have to show someone the bike for them to give you a real estimate. There's a ton of bike/ski shops around Okemo, and I know Killington's got a bunch of 'em too... Be sure to ask what they believe retail would be, not what they would give you for it. You're also more likely to get a real answer if you just paid them to tune it up and mention wanting to possibly upgrade to one of their new models... Good luck selling it!
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
$900.00
Can't you get an all Ultegra bike for that???
post #23 of 24
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post
Can't you get an all Ultegra bike for that???
Yep. And usually with a fair frame w/carbon rear & fork. BikesDirect anyone?
post #24 of 24
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Originally Posted by Magnus_CA View Post
Can't you get an all Ultegra bike for that???
An Ultegra Groupo costs about $800... you still need a frame and fork, saddle, wheels, handlebar, stem, Hbar tape, cables, etc.

Can you find a bike advertised as "all Ultegra" for $900, maybe. Is it a complete Ultegra 6600 group with a worthy frame/ fork/ build kit? No way.

If you care about the components saying 'Ultegra' then you should care about the quality of everything else. If you want a bike to ride and don't want to spend much then buy a bike with newer 105 parts and a good frame and wheels... that fits you.

Believe it or not, you do get what you pay for. If the price is 'Unbelievable', there is probably a really good explanation as to why.
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