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post #31 of 45
Thread Starter 
Terry, great idea to get together, its easier to head into the unkown with cohorts...

Terry, Bethany, LisaMarie, Tog, and anyone else who would be interested in getting into racing, if you find the dates for race clinics and whatnot email me here...LindaA@epicski.com and maybe as the season approaches we could arrange something.

Lisamarie, did I miss something? are you angering race coaches?
post #32 of 45
Vk, thanks. Believe it or not some people came within 0.6 seconds of him. (time was around 33 seconds)

As for you others...(ahem...- lisamarie. Yes she says she's "not competitive" but anyone who puts up with the Bormio Ski School can certainly handle a few gates)

The best thing to do to get involved in racing is to do a camp or a clinic or something like that. You'll get a good involvement without having to worry about times. If you just go and do a race it's all about time and that's what people will talk about. Of course your time will be slow but you'll have no idea of what you're doing. You can end up practicing defensive skiing and bad habits.

If you go and do an instructional camp or clinic it's about the technique of skiing and the tactics of racing. At the very least you will learn something about skiing and racing will cease to be a total mystery. The time really doesn't matter, but what you're doing does. When you're running gates you can talk very specifically about turns since they happen in a distinct location and in a definite sequence. This has great advantages when trying to teach someone because the coach can say: "On that third turn you..." and you will know that turn.
If you care -at all- you will be nervous running gates. I would bet the best in the world are no different, they just handle it differently. When you're training though, you're training on specific things so you won't necessarily be real nervous.
You usually work on technique outside the course and tactics in the course. It's hard to work on the technique of skiing when you're faced with having to make a series of turns. So in the course you work on where to start the turn, where to finish the turn and recognizing this from a distance. Outside of the gates you can work on how to turn. Of course it's not completely black and white but generally, when you're running gates the technique you bring with you is what you use- you can't suddenly change it because there's too much else to think about.

I saw a really good documentary on Lime Rock Racing Park in Connecticut on tv last night. A lot of it was just on auto racing in general. At Lime Rock and many other tracks around the country people come and race and they know they'll never be professional or they'll never be great so why do they do it? They do it because they really enjoy the experience of being completely involved.
A woman talked about how when you're "on" her mind was moving really quickly and you see what's in front of you and you know what to do and you're in this state of seamless perception and action.

It's similar in ski racing. Your mind is occupied in perceiving what's ahead figuring out the turn ahead then in the turn reminding you to do that thing you need to -"drive the arms forward" perhaps. If you're coming into a fall away turn you might have to say to yourself "wait..wait.." because you've turned too early too many times.

The interesting thing about running gates is you can turn the most boring blue or even green cruiser into something rather challenging and interesting. You don't need difficult terrain. A good coach can set a course that is a challenge for many different ability levels. I have seen this done where people with almost no experience and people with a great deal are running the same course and it's a challenge for all. Course setting is really an art and a good one is a thing of beauty.
This is why Nastar is such an abomination to me but that's another rant...

In my brief experience of racing I've often been amazed at the changes in perception that take place. When you're "on" in a gs course and by that I mean on line and on time it seems like you've got all the time in the world to make the next turn. You think "This is easy! I've got this nailed. Why did I think it was hard?..." The fact is if I start thinking about that the time goes by and all of a sudden I'm late for the next turn when I had all that time!

Then there's those singular pleasures which happen at all levels. For me I can remember this course at Loon where you came across the trail and there was a little knoll with a gate near the top- if you hit it right you get a nice bit of air. You land on the right side edges, everything moving forward and to the right and "swoosh" you fly around the gate.

Where else can you ski on a groomed trail and be guaranteed that no one will be in front of you and cut you off? You just have to think about your turns, not someone elses.

Alright...So get thee to a race camp!

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post #33 of 45
Hey Tog! This new guy Terry Carey teaches at Okemo! And when are you going to tell us about Les Deux Alps?????

Have I gotten you distracted yet? First of all, remember that thread of mine Gates Without Tears? Before even thinking about gates I need to do something about my ATROCIOUS short radius turns! Also, speed is scary! Yikes!
Linda, Bethany, Terry, you guys go for it!

Be Braver in your body, or your luck will leave you. DH Lawrence
post #34 of 45
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WOW Tog, now Im DROOLING.....(pant, pant.)

come on, snow already, dammit!!!!
post #35 of 45
Well, I've gotten distracted here with other posts. So many since I've been gone for 2 weeks! To think yesterday I was in Paris...Ah Pairee...the lights, the food, the women, the metro...stench!

No it was great! I shall post soon (I hope)

Oh, Do I teach at that place? hmmm...i...don't...re..mem...ber...

As for your other ideas...Your "atrocious short radius turns" sounds like an animal at the zoo. That beast won't prevent you from running a few gates. You might find after a while it's just a petting zoo.
As for "speed-it's scary!" - Certainly you're not "Unsafe at any Speed" or you wouldn't be here. You can cruise at your "safe speed". Where does it say in the "Running gates: a Manual" that one must go at a speed where they think they're going to leave their body and the earth? I assure you your speed will be faster than a turtle's and slower than Herman Maier's.

Now that I have dispatched your "reasons" against, here's one for.

Yes, I remember your "Gates without Tears" post. In it you made a brilliant deduction and coined the phrase "calculating my turn arcs" (I did not have to search for that to remember this). It is because of this that you have been selected to join LindaA,TCarey,and perhaps Bethany in their quest for Gates without Tears.
If necessary, Mark shall build the spaceship to take you there...
(Oh, buy the way...Just put on your goggles and the eyes won't tear!)
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post #36 of 45
As a former racer myself, I highly recommend giving racing a try if you are even remotely interested in it! If nothing else, you will almost certainly become a better skier overall, and hopefully you may discover that you develop a passion for the gates!

This whole thread has inspired me to consider some racing this season. I have not run gates for "time" in sooooo long, but I really miss it! Last season I had the opportunity to ski with some pretty good recreational racers, and it made me realize how much I miss it!

Getting back into racing after such a long hiatus, hmmmm.
post #37 of 45
Check out your local ski clubs-some of them hold races at near bye mts. Our club races at Southington Ct. I think I may start there.Good luck!! Terry
post #38 of 45
Thread Starter 
Its Togs post!...I think he aught to be an inspirational speaker!!! Got me all worked up, If it had been snowing last night Id have been out running gates after reading that! That is like the third one ive seen from him I would like to print out and stick on my wall, Aught to write a book, Tog!

I CANNOT wait for next season. FOUR months....AAARRRGGGGG.
post #39 of 45
Four months? What are you talking about?

Last three years Killington opened last week of October/first week of November.
So it is August, September, and October = just 3 months. Which is still a lot. Though I should not be the one talking, since I was skiing 2 weeks ago (did not mean to rub it in guys/gals)

Also, it seems like there are several people from the east coast who are interested in getting into racing and are looking for an introductory/beginner level camp. May I suggest that if you can make up a group of 10 - 15 students, you have a good chance of finding coaches who are willing to put together a camp for you. This way you can actually ask what you want to learn......


Speed does not kill, the difference in it does...

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post #40 of 45
LindaA, thanks for the kind words!
Vk, where did you ski this summer? at Mt. Hood? I just got back from a week at Les 2 Alpes. (I have to get around to posting about it-hopefully tommorrow)

As for the camp, y'all sound like perfect candidates for the Stratton camp the first week in December. When I get info on it I will post it. Jonathan Shefftz who posts here a lot in the season was also at last years clinic.
post #41 of 45

as they say picture is worth a thousand words...

And, BTW, you get to demo all the next year racing gear for free

Note to self: don't drop the inside hand, dammit

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post #42 of 45
Hey that looks really good! Fortunately I don't have to be jealous of the summer skiing. Thanks for the photo-
post #43 of 45
Great picture--doesn't look like your hand is affecting what the skis are doing.
When was it taken (the date, I know it was this summer)? Got more?
post #44 of 45

It was July 22, I'm getting more trip pictures scanned in (those are not action ones though). I'll be putting them on whatever web space I have that came with my DSL account. If there is an interest I'll post the link once I have it all ready.....


Speed does not kill, the difference in it does...
post #45 of 45

I see from your profile that you are in Northernb California. There is good group of clubs in the greater San Francisco Bay Area that race against one another in Tahoe. Some of the courses are held on FIS level courses but there are classses for everyone and the actaul course varies with the class of racer. Races are either slalom or giant slalom with an optional super G race (with required training and helmet).

If you're interested, tell me more about where you're located and I'll direct you to one or more clubs that race.

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