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post #31 of 44
Do you think some people are just injury-prone?

Profile of injury-prone skier:

Impulsive
Risk-taking
Shortcuts physical preparation
Likes to say, "Watch this!"
post #32 of 44
Personally I hate to think of myself as "injury prone" but I am. I wouldn't say that this is direct a result of "risk taking" behaviors but I think it is indirectly related. In my case I think it has to do with exuberance for my activities coupled with compulsiveness that leads me to continue to push when holding back a bit would be best. These characteristics tend to lead to both acute and chronic injury.

On the other hand I think that I have some abilites that have worked to spare me on numerous occasions. In a fall (especially in something like a rag doll tumble) I think I have a pretty good ability to not tense up. I think this has saved me on numerous occasions (but certainly not every time). In a very high percentage of my worse falls I have been able to avoid injury.
post #33 of 44
I guess I must be bringing down the average, although most of my ski days are here in Ontario where we have a lack of any wild, punishing terrain. (unless you count ice )

In my 15 years of skiing, i've only (?) suffered the following injuries:

- torn and reconstructed anterior cruciate ligament
- sprained thumb x 2
- mild concussion

[ November 11, 2003, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: N8M ]
post #34 of 44
I think that skiing injuries are definitely proportionately related to the way you ski and the risks you take. Skiing on exposed terrain regularly, also increases the risks. Most ski superstars have tons of injuries and it is certainly not because they are poor skiers. They simply ski closer to their limit and take huge risks.

Generally speaking those who never had any serious injuries, probably don't push their limits and don't take major risks. Sure luck is always a factor, but when you are talking about thousands of hours of skiing, luck becomes a minor factor. It is the same in all activities that have some risk associated with them.

I have about 300 days of skiing over 12 years and only had 2 serious knee injuries. Both happened early on when lack of experience (rather than skiing near the limit of my capability) was the main cause of the injuries. Both injuries put an end to my ski season.

I generally ski conservatively and don't take many risks. This is definitely a major reason why I managed to avoid serious injuries during the last few years. Improving my skills also helped. Luck is a minor factor and I certainly don't count on luck to stay injury free. I work at it very hard.
post #35 of 44
I'm normal like you Bob, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

Back in High School in 1972 I dislocated my left ankle while my foot was in the boot, I may have had about 20 days in over three years. That was on one of those "I'll take one more one".

I didn't ski much for the next 18 years. In the last 12 years and maybe 600 days I've only managed to have my tibia impact the tibia platue. I now have three screws and a washer along with some bone graft (thanks bone bank)in my right knee. I have worn a helmet for the last 8 years. I've hit trees, trail signs, water pipes, Thank God for helmets....

[ November 11, 2003, 09:11 AM: Message edited by: smithby ]
post #36 of 44
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by nolo:
Do you think some people are just injury-prone?

Profile of injury-prone skier:

Impulsive
Risk-taking
Shortcuts physical preparation
Likes to say, "Watch this!"

Intriguing...

Impulsive? Guilty.

Risk-taker? Yes. Always have been.

Shortcuts physical preparation? Hmmm... while there's always room for better conditioning, I'd like to think I've generally tried to physically prepare myself for skiing. OTOH, I know people with much greater skiing skills and in far better condition who have had oodles more injuries.

Likes to say, "Watch this!"? Not sure. Fully half of my injuries have occurred with no one else in sight.

On the flip side is my wife. She's actually had more injuries than I have and she isn't even remotely an impulsive, "watch this", risk taker. I think she just has bad luck.

Bob
post #37 of 44
I'm telling you this is an old gypsy trick?! Some of you speak of your good fortune and luck as regards no injuries; and what might befall you is too dark for words.
My theory: Bob Peters has been a really good and informative host to many with questions about JH and SLC. He has even written about off track goods at the Vill. Very nice, almost too nice.... But then it starts to snow in Jackson, he must have panicked with thoughts of all these Bears and buddies coming there wanting to share local stashes. What had he done, what was he thinking?!
So, the thread about injuries, you who have suffered on the slopes are probably OK.. in the clear. But those who have offered up general good health and lack of hurting,... Jeez, are you in for a world of woe!
But if you are lucky enough to be walking by a dingy curtained storefront with the Reader/Adviser sign, go in and tell her of your foolish lapse. You might get out of there with an anticurse for ..hmmm.. 30-50 bucks. Except if you have a nice suit, expensive shoes, and a Power tie. Then the sky is the limit (Visa, Mastercard accepted?).
I know someone will not pay heed and we will hear the story of how they jumped into their bindings in the living room (barefoot) in excited anticipation of JH, smashing their Achilles as the heel piece snapped down.
On the other hand, Bob's medical ski history might explain how Jackson supports so many Orthopods. Is there a license plate on a surgeon's fine SUV that says, "BOB"?
Nice try Bob, but I have taken a couple of hard falls and hit my noggin. Once without a helmet, once with protection.

Would that surprise you?
post #38 of 44
Let's see here ...

In 55 tears of skiing I have skied, maybe, 2000 days and accumulated the following medical memories:

Broken ankle -- in High School, goofing aroung trying to push a girl friend until she fell. I succeeded -- she fell on me. It was wonderful, but it hurt like he**.

Torn ACL -- Hit a slush puddle on ancient Silvretta's.

Broken Rib -- starting to ski Alpine again after twenty tears of tele. Skiing with the sun at my back, in love with my shadow.

Dislocated shoulder -- Killy said, "If you think you need your bindings tight, you might need to learn how to ski". So I skied with my bindings looser and looser until I found the point at which they came off in normal activities. Unfortunately I was in a steep mogul field at the time.

...so far I start to see a pattern here. I'm not injury prone or unlucky; I am stupid!! How normal can you be?!!
post #39 of 44
28 years skiing, probably a tad over 300 days in total. One badly sprained thumb is my worst skiing injury. I think luck, genetics and a controlled skiing style explain my freedom from injury. Regarding the genetics, I am thinking about susceptibility to muscle and joint injuries. I played competitive sports growing up and never had any trouble with strained or pulled muscles or joint injuries. Over the years, some of my falls and other skiing mishaps have put stress on my muscles and joints, but I feel lucky to have had no serious injuries.
post #40 of 44
H'm I got to catch up so the last few years I am up to 35 ski days per year. Even so I only have about 300 ski days in my life time. And only 14 total days of skiing out west. Anyway in about 300 days skiing, I have had 3 major ski related accidents which were years apart. 2 of the accidents could have been easily avoided if I had done the right thing.

1.) Fracture (FX) Tibia and Fibula. My fault. At 12 years old decided to change the din on the toe bindings. Very dumb on my part. Leg XRAYed and cast at ski area. Went home from ski area.

2.) 3 small skull FXs and 4 FX ribs . High speed experienced skier hit me from behind at over 50 MPH. My head hit the snow on a groomer run. The other skiers shoulder hit my ribs with his shoulder. I was going about 20 MPH straight down hill. The other skier and I were the only ones on the hill so it was not crowded. I was unconsious, woke up siting in the middle of the trail with no idea what had happened. I wanted to ski off the hill and drive home. But every time I moved I wanted to throw up because of the trauma. I went in ambulance to hospital. 5 days in hospital and could not drive for 4 weeks.

3.) FX 3 ribs but continued skiing that day. Fall due to trying to ski in white out conditions with sun glasses. Another stupid move causing zero visibility. I hit powder with front of ski and tails were on ice, which I could have handled if I had seen it comming. Spun around at high speed and slamed chest into hill. I had a small camera in my coat chest front pocket which caused the FX ribs. It hurt every time I skied that season. I still got in 35 days that year. Beer and advil at the end of the day helped.

[ November 11, 2003, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: catskills ]
post #41 of 44
Bob,

You're not alone. Let me think here...

Back in the days of rear entries I fractured my heel on some stupid hard, icy bumps.

Sprained thumbs a few times in vicious bumps.

Cracked ribs, again from bumps meeting pole that met ribs.

Torn cartilage in left knee from my college racing days.

A few pretty bad cuts from being taken out on busy slopes and catching some sharp ski edges.

And, I think that's about it. Oh, a black eye from breaking up a fight at a ski school party of all places. I think that sucked the worst [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #42 of 44
I consider myself abbynormal. I have seperated my shoulders several dozen times and blew out one knee (powder day ugh), funny thing was that my wife blew out her knee 5 minutes before me. Hers was bad mine wasn't. We did look like the poster childeren for not to go skiing as we both walked out of the hospital on crutches. Only been skiing for 8 years so I feel I've been luckey so far. My wife has been skiing for 25 years and has racked up some worse injuries such as broken bones and a concussion. Fun for the whole family.
post #43 of 44
I tried to calculate the number of days I've skied and came up with around 1,200 to 1,400. Of those days, I've always skied off the hill on my own and I've only gone to the first aid station once (where I got a splint put on what we thought was a broken wrist so I could still hold a ski pole & keep skiing). I have had three real injuries, a jammed shoulder that took a couple years to work out, a twisted knee and a cracked fibula. That makes my average somewhere around 2.5 per 1000 days.
post #44 of 44
Quote:
Originally posted by TomB:
I think that skiing injuries are definitely proportionately related to the way you ski and the risks you take. Skiing on exposed terrain regularly, also increases the risks. Most ski superstars have tons of injuries and it is certainly not because they are poor skiers. They simply ski closer to their limit and take huge risks.

Broken Tibia..... 1st day of the season on fatigued legs 2:00pm intermediate slope
Torn Rotator Cuff.. Hit by another skier who was on a slope he didn't belong on.

The other big risk is small crowded hills.... why I wear a brain bucket these days I've been clipped and near missed more times than I can count. Ever feel like someone's painted a bullseye on you? As I've learned to ski faster (in control) I get targeted less. :
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