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Why do poeple like cross skis?

post #1 of 27
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A rising phenomenon within skiing is cross skis, and I don't get it

Why would you choose a ski with a soft rear that gives no power going out of a turn when you could?

What's the deal with cross skis?
post #2 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
A rising phenomenon within skiing is cross skis, and I don't get it

Why would you choose a ski with a soft rear that gives no power going out of a turn when you could?
Different courses, different horses.
post #3 of 27
I've had my cross skis for a while - Head Super Cross TI's.

I wasn't aware they had soft rears?!?!?
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
A rising phenomenon within skiing is cross skis, and I don't get it
Why would you choose a ski with a soft rear that gives no power going out of a turn when you could?
What's the deal with cross skis?
Is it? my Phenom 10 is the same as RC4 FIS GS but with different graphics.
One thing is what you can buy and one what they compete on.
I think that more or less all competing in Ski Cross use the FIS GS skies.
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Why would you choose a ski with a soft rear that gives no power going out of a turn when you could?
Some people turn to slow down. They don't want power at the end of the turn they want deceleration, plus a soft tail is much easier to ski in the bumps. IMO, it dosen't matter whether you are carving, skidding or scarving it is much easier to scrub off speed with soft tails.
post #6 of 27
like cross dressing?


A cross ski, like "all season tires" is the worst of both worlds.
post #7 of 27
Sometimes when I ski I am in an aggressive, almost angry mood.

having a 'cross' ski, instead of a 'happy-go-lucky' ski seems to suit my style better.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by Whiteroom View Post
Sometimes when I ski I am in an aggressive, almost angry mood.

having a 'cross' ski, instead of a 'happy-go-lucky' ski seems to suit my style better.
hmmm.... a "mood" ski? there is an untapped segment. Like a mood ring, it senses your mood and how you want to ski.
post #9 of 27
I thought cross skis were basically just short GS skis.
post #10 of 27
Disagree with OP's premises: First, cross skis are not on the rise, like all carvers they're falling off in popularity. (Anyone buying loads of Head XRC 800/1200's, or Volkl 6*/Allstars, or Elan Speedwaves?) Second, they don't have a soft tail, except perhaps in comparison to a true FIS GS ski. IMO Whitehouse and Tromano have it about right: Cross skis are tough brawlers, with a big kick from the tail, basically detuned short GS skis that require a fair amount of aggression to ski well. Which if you think about it X racing, is why they exist in the first place.

But I like Phil's mood ring idea. Why not topsheets that change color with temp?
post #11 of 27
Yeah i agree cross skis are aggressive bruisers with mondo edge grip .
i certainly do not find them SOFT in the tail

and as far as choice: differant strokes for differant folks
post #12 of 27
Cross skis are usually similar if not identical construction to the subject companies GS ski but usually have a smaller turn radius and are usually shorter. A 170 my be maybe 16 or 17M and a 180cm 18 or so rather then the old 21M USSA/FIS or larger 27M/23m men/women respectively.

Never heard of a softer tail. this has not been my experience.

The 180cm Atomic SX11 Supercross was one of my favorite all time skis. It was extremley fast and stable and held like incredibly well on hard snow, but was still quick enough to ski small & medium size bumps. Soft tail? uh no!
post #13 of 27
Atomic man nailed it 1

My SX 10's ARE IN A-mAN'S TERMS "extremly fast and stable and hold like incredibly well on hard snow, but are still quick enough to ski small & medium size bumps. Soft tail? uh no!"
post #14 of 27
yeah when I think off cross skis I think of the Atomic SX series. The Sx11 was realyl kick but hard snow carver.
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
A rising phenomenon within skiing is cross skis, and I don't get it

Why would you choose a ski with a soft rear that gives no power going out of a turn when you could?

What's the deal with cross skis?
What cross ski are you talking about?

I could only guess you are comparing an SX7 to GS11, or maybe different brands.

An SX11 does have a soft tail, compared to a Kästle SG ski.

The ski is designed to be bent into a turn of less than about 17 m at speeds at or below GS racing speeds. It needs to be softer than skis designed to be bent less at higher speeds, but it is still stiffer in the tail than most recreational skis.
post #16 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
What cross ski are you talking about?

I could only guess you are comparing an SX7 to GS11, or maybe different brands.

An SX11 does have a soft tail, compared to a Kästle SG ski.

The ski is designed to be bent into a turn of less than about 17 m at speeds at or below GS racing speeds. It needs to be softer than skis designed to be bent less at higher speeds, but it is still stiffer in the tail than most recreational skis.
A Kastle SG is the gold standard by which we measure tail stiffness? :
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
A Kastle SG is the gold standard by which we measure tail stiffness? :
No; it is the only standard I can think of by which you may arrive at the conclusion that an SX11 ski cross ski has a soft tail (check the batteries on your sarcasm meter).
post #18 of 27
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No; it is the only standard I can think of by which you may arrive at the conclusion that an SX11 ski cross ski has a soft tail (check the batteries on your sarcasm meter).
OK, THEN! the batteries are good!
post #19 of 27
Thread Starter 
Okay well maybe I got the concept wrong Maybe because most of the ones I skied - THAT I HATED - were Salomon, and then I read different places that a cross ski hadn't got that much power in it because of its softer tail, which I thought was the real problem to why I hated those Salomon..

BTW. I was comparing with my Atomic GS12pb 180cm
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Okay well maybe I got the concept wrong
And about 5 years too late; cross skis took over the public mania torch from 1999 race carvers.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Okay well maybe I got the concept wrong Maybe because most of the ones I skied - THAT I HATED - were Salomon, and then I read different places that a cross ski hadn't got that much power in it because of its softer tail, which I thought was the real problem to why I hated those Salomon..

BTW. I was comparing with my Atomic GS12pb 180cm
Maybe you should compare the Atomic SX's to your GS12 not a different brand.

A friend of mine bought a pair of Salomon Crossmax a few years ago at Whistler.He skied on them once and literally gave them away as he said they were worst ski he had ever skied on. (He is an excellent skier and also very wealthy!)
post #22 of 27
I think it's just natural to choose a cross ski (XS) over a gross ski (GS) or not to mention a super gross ski (SG).
People simply prefer the tasteful stuff theese days.
post #23 of 27
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
Maybe you should compare the Atomic SX's to your GS12 not a different brand.

A friend of mine bought a pair of Salomon Crossmax a few years ago at Whistler.He skied on them once and literally gave them away as he said they were worst ski he had ever skied on. (He is an excellent skier and also very wealthy!)

I'd like to meet this wealthy guy Will he ever come to Europe to ski? hehe

Carl R: That made no sense Could you elaborate?
post #24 of 27
gross = modbydelig

I'm just being silly. :
post #25 of 27
Cross skis are for people that want race skis but don't want to get abused by Jer.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by GrooK View Post
Okay well maybe I got the concept wrong Maybe because most of the ones I skied - THAT I HATED - were Salomon, and then I read different places that a cross ski hadn't got that much power in it because of its softer tail, which I thought was the real problem to why I hated those Salomon..

BTW. I was comparing with my Atomic GS12pb 180cm
That explains it then. SX skis are a little softer than GS skis, but on the whole Salomons are a lot softer than Atomics in longitudinal flex. The SX is a bit of a compromise giving up a little of the GS feel, but not going as far as a slalom ski. The softer flex makes it easier to ski in moguls, which are quite often found in the way when you are choosing the best high-speed runs from chair disembarking point to lift line.
post #27 of 27
The advantage of cross skis for me is a ski that I can short turn with if necessary but also have stability when doing long turns and skiing straight in the tuck position. I used to own a 195 cm pair of Volkl P9 RSL that were good slalom skis but also good at going in a straight line- I find it is always helpful to have the ability to be to be secure going in a straight line at speed should you need to get out of trouble quickly.

For that aim I bought a pair of 2007 Salomon Crossmax V12s (I'm 182 cm/92 kg) that are great at long turning but also providing your aggressive with them can also be hustled into short turning (only a 16m radius which is quite tight for a long ski) and can skid as well as carve. I like the versatility of being able to choose my turn-shape- when I tried the SX12 it was like skiing on a (high speed!) rail.

They do have to be skiing in a specific way with quite a strong forward bias and a lot of downweighting when you want to punch the edge into ice which is why some may not like them- took me 3 days to get used to them- once mastered they are very rewarding.
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