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post #31 of 47
$239 plus shipping. You might be able to get as good or better net (free shipping) by doing backcountry.com via live.com cash back.
post #32 of 47
Only the short and long ones, no 181's.
post #33 of 47
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Why the demo PX12s over railflex?
cause the look bindings are just plain better and you can adjust them for different mount points using the demo tracks. if you want to go back, just set the toe for a smaller size than your own bsl and then adjust the heel appropriately so that you get the proper forward pressure (and the exact opposite to move the mount point forward).
post #34 of 47
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Originally Posted by lukc View Post
cause the look bindings are just plain better and you can adjust them for different mount points using the demo tracks. if you want to go back, just set the toe for a smaller size than your own bsl and then adjust the heel appropriately so that you get the proper forward pressure (and the exact opposite to move the mount point forward).
my guess is most on here dont ski as hard as you lukc....

with that said the tyrolia tend to eject, while the look tend to hold on. For me tryrolias even the Mojo 15 are nearly as bad as old markers.
post #35 of 47

Look PX 12 Demo

Quote:
Originally Posted by lukc View Post
cause the look bindings are just plain better...
So would you recommend these:
Look 2006 PX12 Adjustable Ski Bindings (w/ 120 mm brake)
on the P4s?

BWPA seems to think the looks hold better than the railflexes...what about slop and ski flex? Also, having trouble finding stand height data on the Looks. I had X14s on Atuas last year and liked the flat mount, but wouldn't have minded being able to move them back on real deep days...

Thanks,
Matt
post #36 of 47
Level 9 live help said
Jon:
toe height is about 22mm,
Jon:
heel about 26mm
Jon:
give me a minute for the weight
Matt:
so the stand height is about 1 cm less than the railflexes?
Jon:
yes
Jon:
and the weight is about 6 pounds for a pair
Jon:
(rough measurement on a bathroom scale)
Matt:
do these have a lot of slop like some demo bindings?
Jon:
actually, they are better than most demo bindings. I think the tyrolia railflex demo's are the best, but pretty high off the ski. The px demo's are solid once your boot is clamped in
Matt:
why do you like the railflex demos more?
Jon:
try to get the forward pressure pretty high while still within range, and its solid
Jon:
diagonal heel release
post #37 of 47
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
So would you recommend these:
Look 2006 PX12 Adjustable Ski Bindings (w/ 120 mm brake)
on the P4s?
that's the EXACT setup that i got my dad for his birthday... and i love my father
post #38 of 47
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Originally Posted by lukc View Post
that's the EXACT setup that i got my dad for his birthday... and i love my father
Cool, nice gift...has he had chance to take them out, or was this a post-season present?
post #39 of 47
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Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Cool, nice gift...has he had chance to take them out, or was this a post-season present?
post season... i scored the killer SAC deal on the p4's and then i got the bindings wicked cheap from levelninesports.com
post #40 of 47
My 191 P4's are on the way, along with some Look PX18's. I might have to bend the brake arms a little. I know that the px18's have a ridiculous DIN, but I usually run my bindings at 10. Now all I need is snow!
post #41 of 47
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Shotgun Scott View Post
My 191 P4's are on the way, along with some Look PX18's. I might have to bend the brake arms a little. I know that the px18's have a ridiculous DIN, but I usually run my bindings at 10. Now all I need is snow!
I just bought a spare pair of P4s and a set of PX18 from the BCoutlet deal too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
So would you recommend these:
Look 2006 PX12 Adjustable Ski Bindings (w/ 120 mm brake)
on the P4s?
I think this thread has really got offtrack regarding bindings and stuff. If you want a high din release there are bindings out there to accommodate that. Otherwise 12din recreational bindings like PX12 will drive these just fine. Bindings are the most standardized piece of ski equipment that is available.
post #42 of 47
Has anyone ridden the 181 P4's? I've narrowed my powder ski down to the P4 and am between the 181 and 191. I'm 5'11" and about 175 lbs but have never skied anything longer than a 178. I don't want a ski that's too long for the trees, but this will not be my everyday ski. Any thoughts?
post #43 of 47
they say that twin tips ski shorter than their advertised length. if the ski in question is a twin tip, maybe you would be better off with the longer length.
post #44 of 47
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Capman View Post
Has anyone ridden the 181 P4's? I've narrowed my powder ski down to the P4 and am between the 181 and 191. I'm 5'11" and about 175 lbs but have never skied anything longer than a 178. I don't want a ski that's too long for the trees, but this will not be my everyday ski. Any thoughts?
Here is some lines that I thought the 191 was great for.










These ones, it felt a little long.

post #45 of 47
Thanks Tromano, that's much better than an explanation.
post #46 of 47
2006 Look PX 12 adjustable binding:

Quote:
Originally Posted by MEfree30 View Post
Level 9 live help said
Jon:
toe height is about 22mm,
Jon:
heel about 26mm
Jon:
give me a minute for the weight
Matt:
so the stand height is about 1 cm less than the railflexes?
Jon:
yes
Jon:
and the weight is about 6 pounds for a pair
Jon:
(rough measurement on a bathroom scale)
Matt:
do these have a lot of slop like some demo bindings?
Jon:
actually, they are better than most demo bindings. I think the tyrolia railflex demo's are the best, but pretty high off the ski. The px demo's are solid once your boot is clamped in
Matt:
why do you like the railflex demos more?
Jon:
try to get the forward pressure pretty high while still within range, and its solid
Jon:
diagonal heel release
I got slightly different info today:

Matt:
I used this feature once before to ask about the stand height of the Look 2006 PX12 Adjustable Ski Bindings...I was told that it is 21 mm, but this seems low for a demo binding. Can you verify that 21 mm is the total stand height? Also, you previously had 120 mm brakes available with this binding, but I only see the standard and 100 mm options currently. Are you out of the 120 mm brakes? Can any look PX widebrake fit into this binding?

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Rich:
One moment while I look into that for you.
Rich:
The toe stand height is 21mm the heel is 30mm pretty common ramping.. we are out of 120mm arms we will get more in mid october.. All px arms are not the same PX din 12 and under have different arms than px15 and over
Matt:
ok...do the demo and standard PX 12 use the same arm?
Rich:
yes
Matt:
what is the toe & heel height on the regular PX 12
Rich:
sorry I dont know that
Rich:
sometimes bindings designed as freeride have less ramoing
Rich:
ramping
Matt:
ok...I will look back in mid-Oct
Matt:
thanks
Rich:
You're Welcome. Let us know if you need anything else. And please tell a friend about levelninesports.com
Matt:
I just pulled up my previous chat
Matt:
Level 9 live help said
Jon:
toe height is about 22mm,
Jon:
heel about 26mm
Matt:
so is the heel 26 mm or 30 mm
Matt:
and is the ramp 4 mm or 9 mm
Rich:
30 i measured.. lots of ways you can measure i took the highest
Rich:
9
Rich:
weights 2930 gm total if you cared, i just updated the product
post #47 of 47
Well, I've switched my bindings out for some Dukes instead of the PX18's. My shop guy mounted the PX18's 0.5cm behind the core center instead of boot sole center. Man, those tips were really close. I told him that I am not a park rat, and was using these for mainly Utah or VT powder. This should allow me to get plenty of float, and still hit groomers when forced to. With the Dukes, I won't have to rent backcountry gear when I'm in Utah.

Hopefully, he's mounting the Dukes on the BSC line, which is nearly 3" behind his original mount. Kinda pissed he mounted them there, but he's giving me a great deal on the Dukes to compensate.
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