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post #31 of 75
This is a topic that is close to my heart. Have you heard of a school in Maine called U-Maine at Farmington? They may be the only school to offer an actual four year degree in ski coaching. It is where I went to school. We ski at Sugarloaf and I think I finished with about 52 credits on snow. If skiing is your life and school is going to be what you learn for the rest of your life it may be something to consider. They also offer concentrations in Ski Teaching Ski Business and Environmental something for the planning aspects of ski areas. It is a state school and if you spend a year there you usually can work your way in as a resident
post #32 of 75
Thread Starter 
Thanks Mosh,
I'll definatley have to check that school out.
post #33 of 75
That school sounds great.
I think if you're a good enough student you can go where you want regardless of your skiing. My earlier comment tried to point out that skiing probably shouldn't be your main criteria, but if it's what you want, pick a school where the skiing's good.

[ May 27, 2002, 09:41 PM: Message edited by: SLATZ ]
post #34 of 75
Thread Starter 
My parents say the same thing you do. I agree with them to an extent. I'm trying to find a balance between a good school and skiing. BTW, I'm visiting the University of Massachusetts next week.
post #35 of 75
All of the above suggestions are great. Although it is interesting to see that nobody asked how the skiing was going to be paid for.

Last time I checked $16 K was low for an out of state student at UMASS. Lift tickets at the hills surrounding UMASS are $40+ on weekends, not to mention equipment and race entry fees, plus membership. Also lets consider how you are going to get to and from the ski area if you aren't on a team.

If you consider cost you are going to be too busy working to pay expenses to ski to actually ski.

I suggest that you forget about skiing while at school, study hard so that you can get into Harvard Business School so you can graduate and get a job that pays enough to be able to afford to ski.

Either that or go to school in Vermont close to a ski area so that you can work there to be able to afford to ski.

Good luck and I wish you well, but remember what your priorities are. If you just want to ski, save your parents some money and don't go to college. Move out West and have a ball, lifes too short.

post #36 of 75
JW -

Bad news about MSU. Some moron scheduled parents' visitation weekend during football season so they can see a game. I think they would have higher attendance if they sceduled it in late February when the local skiing is usually at its best.

I have actually met a couple students that majored in environmental sciences & got around to graduating. Its a good major to start out with because the first two years are almost identical to pre-med and a few other science majors so if your son decides to change majors he shouldn't lose any ground.
post #37 of 75
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments. I can see exactly what your saying. I've been racing for three years now, and beleive me, I know about the cost. Every weekend in the winter my parents and I pay for gas, hotel rooms, lift tickets (when traveling), racing fees, mountain food, etc. It really gets ridiculous when you think about it. PARA (Pennsylvania Alpine Racing Assosiation) charges me a $30 to join and race throughout the season, and then charges me an extra $25 to enter each race. Then my racing team charges me $300 to be on the team and train with them. There is really no way to get around all the fees.
post #38 of 75

As far as money goes just get a summer job and save- that way you'll have $ for the seaosn. That's what I'm doing anyway.
post #39 of 75

I paid for all my race expenses and ski gear by working my butt off in the summer and fall. Wasn't too bad, but my grades did dip a tad.
post #40 of 75
Thread Starter 
Thanks guys,
I was planning on working a lot in the summer as well.
post #41 of 75
Well, college will better explain the meaning of my signature... [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #42 of 75
I wonder will college do anything for your grammar?
post #43 of 75

I have had all the education available and it didn't help me. Why do you think a bit of college will help him? Is the problem curable?

By the way, what did he mean anyway?
post #44 of 75
Therein lies the question.
What is the subject/object of his sentence?
Is it THE college, A college, or his signature's meaning?
Does he mean: "By going to college you will have a better understanding as to the meaning of my signature"
"A particular college (or perhaps colleges in general) do a course entitled "Understanding the meaning of bicyclekick's signature 101""
"Ask a college, it will provide you with the solution to the meaning of my signature"

Also, I'm not sure as to whether "will better explain" is splitting an infinitive or not. Perhaps if I could speak or write properly, I could answer that one!

"Bad grammar is something up with which I will not put."


P.S. You know it's a bad day on the forum when an Irishman and an American start discussing English grammar!
post #45 of 75
Yeah, so my English sucks. I still pulled a B+ in college writing, so I'm not complaining.

Lets get back to what really matters...skiing, and while a person is not skiing to give them a job to be able to ski -> college and how rule it is.
post #46 of 75
Oh oh, grammar counts? I'd better be more careful.
post #47 of 75
Grammar isn't that important, provided we understand what you are saying.

post #48 of 75
Originally posted by Wear the fox hat ?:
Also, I'm not sure as to whether "will better explain" is splitting an infinitive or not.
Yup, that's a split infinitive. Remember Star Trek and how "boldly go" got the pedants into a total frenzy?

Grammar has its uses, but as it's changing all the time, along with the language it serves, it's quite likely that bicyclekick's bizarre construction will seem nothing out of the ordinary before long.

And so it goes.

Meantime, anyone anywhere got any snow? [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #49 of 75
Welcome back, Scotski.
Where have you been?


P.S. Check a thread on meet on the hill I posted a few days ago about Whistler in December
post #50 of 75

“Yeah, so my English sucks. I still pulled a B+ in college writing, so I'm not complaining.” Back when I was in college we called this “auguring in.” The short sighted student viewing education as a door opener, flashes his/her good grades, is hired, is then asked to perform the job, which he/she does not have skills to perform, resulting in termination or “auguring in.”


“Yup, that's a split infinitive. Remember Star Trek and how "boldly go" got the pedants into a total frenzy?” I cant believe I, of all people, am correcting a grammatical miscue, but “will better explain” is not an infinitive. It is a conjugated verb. “To better explain” is the split infinitive. No infinitive was split in this attempted communication. In Star Trek the sentence is “To boldly go…” thus splitting the infinitive “to go.”

I agree with you Wear the fox hat, it is not whether the grammar, syntax, entomology, etc. is correct, but whether the writer is clear enough to be understood. I award a D+ to bicyclekick, since even Wtfh could not figure out bicyclekicks intent.

Bicyclekick, the B+ in college writing was a gift if you wrote like you do here. If you can’t make yourself understood, what good is writing? This is particularly frustrating in places like Epic where all ideas are considered. Think, compose, edit, post, make a point. Or just go over to the dark side on Powder, they will think you are a genius.
post #51 of 75
Wow, holy shit.

Talk about condecending people.

Maddog1959 - and you get an F for your social skills.

I really doubt anyone had serious trouble undertanding the intent of my post.

I'm not trying to start something, I'm just saying that this is really ridiculous that a few of you are rippin into me.

Obviously I'm different from you. I don't sit here and proofread my posts. This is not a forum for English grammer. Obviously it's important that I write something that is understandable, but quite frankly, I think I've done just that.

I've frequented many other boards over the years and not one time has anyone said anything about my grammer. The only time I haven't made sense is when I was drunk, and that doesn't count.

Good day.
post #52 of 75

We're getting snow in Montana at 5,000 feet.

The fellow's meaning is clear enough. He is in college where he is effectively being paid to learn what amounts to very little. With the experience of that beneficent good fortune still warming his belly, it does not stretch his credulity to imagine we will give him beer to ski with us.

I mean, really! Wherever did he get that crazy idea?

[bicyclekick, I do not mean to jump on the pigpile, honest. I am actually making fun of someone else.]

[ June 08, 2002, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: nolo ]
post #53 of 75
Fascinating. At one time, we were taught that the word was "to go". Therefore, "to boldly go" split the word - the infinitive - and is "incorrect". How many people of words regularly "split the infinitive"? My ninth grade Latin teacher [Mr. McAvoy, SIR] was, unbeknownst either to him or to me at that time, a profound influencer of my life. Among other things, he explained that language is not the product of logic but is the product of USAGE. If it has become the custom among persons of letters to "split the infinitive", then usage is determining that as an aspect of English language [at least as English language is used in the USA]. Although other grammatical principals actually add value to the language, the rule against splitting infinitives is, in my own very humble view, quite useless. Actually, splitting an infinitive with a modifier sometimes improves the communication. I much more dislike hearing "him and me went to the store" or eaqually as annoying [to me], "she gave the present to he and I". I'm delighted by the attention being given here to language usage, and I wish posters would proof read, even casually, before finalizing their posts. The final criterion, I agree, is whether the post is understood without need for further explanation. Language is for communication. In first year law school we were taught that a communication is to be interpretted as it would be understood by a reasonable recipient of the communication - not by the intent of the writer, but by the reasonable understanding of the reader. Except for the mind readers frequenting this site, it helps when we can read a post and understand what it says.

P.S. I still hate it when Pres. G.W.B. says "nu-cu-lar" rather than "nu-cle-ar". DAMN! I hate that!

[ June 08, 2002, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: oboe ]
post #54 of 75

Don’t get your bloomers in a knot. I am an attorney. I am paid to eviscerate my opponents. I do it well; I do it in my sleep. But as my wife often tells me, it is not seemly to hunt sparrows with a howitzer. So, I change your grade to an A-. We will just chalk that up to grade inflation.

Truce! I won’t pick on your writing, if you won’t pick on Wtfh for his silly screen name. Deal? I think this is where I start whining that Wtfh made me do it.

But I will say that the attitude you showed in your “I still pulled a B+ in college writing…” sentence does bother me. Writing is a critical skill. One can never write too well. Get better, show me up, hell, show up Wear the fox hat. Then you will have something to smile about.

You are right, we should talk about skiing not fight about grammar. It is snowing up here at Timberline. Who’s coming out to take a few turns? The lifts are running and my skies are waxed.

Wear the fox hat: Maybe you better start making fun of me. Heaven knows there is lots of material to work with.

[ June 08, 2002, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: Maddog1959 ]
post #55 of 75
maddog1959, as an attorney for thirty-five years who has prosecuted, defended, sued, counseled, negotiated, etc, and etc, I'll wager that in almost all cases you were not being paid to "eviscerate" your "opponents", exactly. However, "virtual evisceration" may have been a tool in some of your work and mine - and it can become reflexive. Sometimes our families and acquaintances pay for that. I have become convinced that you and I and our brothers and sisters in the profession CAN holster the evisceration in family and social enviromments, and your tender of the olive branch to "the kid" is appreciated.
post #56 of 75
Well....if anything, this thead has certainly convinced these kids not to go to law school! [img]tongue.gif[/img]
post #57 of 75
Apparently there's a strong attraction for members of the bar though, Lisa. It must be the chance to free write instead of figure writing for the party of the first part.
post #58 of 75
nolo gets the loving cup
post #59 of 75
OK, Maddog. I shall take your challenge. Put a space or two in your name, unless...
There is a band over here, who had a single in the charts with a variation on the nursery rhyme "The wheels on the bus". They called themselves Mad Donna. Five women with long blonde hair. Nothing wrong with their name, except when it is said, it sounds extremely like Madonna.

So, perhaps your forum name is a bastardisation of the ancient Hebrew word "maddâ'", pronounced "mad-daw", meaning knowledge, science or thought.
Either that or you ar implying, that like Englishmen, you go out in the mid-day sun.

post #60 of 75
Well maddog, I'm actually decently impressed with the last post you made.

Good call.

Back to skiing we go.
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