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Can you guys go over my Tunning Christmas list?

post #1 of 14
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Hey guys, this is my first post

For Christmas, I'm asking for some tuning supplies so I can do my own skis (and my GF's pair as well.) I've been doing a lot of reading, pretty much all day on the "how to" (I love Dipstik's complete photo guide to tuning ski's: Link)

Can you guys go over the following list and tell me if you agree (or disagree) with what I'm going to purchase? I'll put as much detail with links of the things I want to get. So far my wishlist is from many different websites, but in the end, when I got the list set, I'll then figure out where to to buy it from.

To start, I'll begin with Base repairing.
-DRIP REPAIR CANDLES For the temp or small repairs.

-P-TEX REPAIR RIBBON for more durable p-tex repairs.

Both stuff are really cheap, so I'm going to get both and try them out.

-SANDVIK STEEL SCRAPER
-Fibertex Medium pad (A bunch of scotchpads... what grit should I get?)
-Sk Wax Scrapper
I don't think I need to purchase any base flattener & Structural tools such as what is being offered here: LINK


I do need to get some brushes... Brass, nylon & horse hair type. I'll get these locally because they are common and available everywheres.

Now for Stones:
I'm going to get the DMT Diamond Stones- 2.75" length
Set of 3 Pocket Diamond Stones - Fine, Medium and Coarse

I've heard some people saying the DMT aren't very good, and you have to be carefull with them. They say the MOONFLEX DIAMOND DEBURRING STONES are much better. I want to get those, but they are a bit pricey. To start out, I'll think I'll get a set of DMT diamond stones for now... I also have a Gummi stone on the list.

Now my question is Edge guides. I've read lots and seen many different types. I'm going to get an adjustable one, which lets you dial in any angle you want. But I read: it is less precise than the fixed edge file guides. You are generally limited to using the special small file that fits inside the tool, and it typically wears out quickly, so you should buy extra replacement files. I'm not really sure which one to get. You can get the multituner with the DMT as a kit:


Is it worth it? Is this a good guide or a piece of junk?

I've read great things by people who use the Burton File Guide Kit. It's expensive, but if it is worth it, then I'll buy one. What do you think?



Finally, the wax iron... Toko Wax Iron for $60. Looks good for my needs.


As well some Hydrocarbon Wax, (different temperatures), I'll experiemnt with those. That sums it up... Anything I'm missing?
post #2 of 14
Looks ok.

Skip the iron. Get a cheapo at Kmart or yard sale.

Get some chrome 8" files. I prefer a regular file spring clamped to a file guide (88 or 87 degrees usually for me).

Good thread advice on base bevel guides I started a week or so ago.

Also add: Paintbrush for dusting off shavings etc. Gummi. Scotchbright pads. Big screwdriver.
post #3 of 14

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I'm putting together a tuning kit and am confused with all of the choices for files, diamonds stones and guides. Where do I start and what should I buy?
Determining what capabilities or level of tuning you are after will help decide on tuning or other tools. What level tuner are you and want to be; Leisure/Casual, Performance or Serious?.


If you looked at building a tool kit whether it's files, diamonds guides, brushes, waxes, etc as you looked at building your quiver of skis, you wouldn't necessarily get everything you can to start. There are simply too many variables to grasp without time and experience, cost and other considerations. As with skis and other gear, you can always buy more and there are various grades or calibers of tools. For the recreational skier and tuner, getting every one of the finest tools may be overkill and an unnecessary expense. But if you appreciate fine tools, and start out purchasing them, it's hard to go back to lessor caliber as you become spoiled.
For the 'all mountain' capabilities for main files & diamonds which you can build on, we suggest:
1) bastard or 2nd cut file-for edge sharpening, beveling and setting edge geometry, coupled with guide. The coarser the file, the faster the cut and filings stream off easier.
2) panzer/body file-for removal of side wall (edge off-set), quick removal of edge when establishing edge geometry or removing excess base material. Also great for plexi scraper sharpening.
3) 200 & 400 grit diamond-for de-burring, maintenance sharpening, finishing and polishing edge
4) aluminum oxide stone-inexpensive 'beater' stone for knocking down case/work hardened edges, de-burring, knife sharpening, misc tasks
5) gummy stone-de-tuning and rust removal
6) base and side edge combination guide-used to secure files, diamonds and stones accurately to set edge geometry (bevel angles) and can be used for maintenance sharpening with diamonds or stones
For starting out and I'd bet for the majority of recreational tuners (and if you'll also need other tools), a Tools4Boards Deluxe Tuning Kit or SuperStation, coupled with a diamond and gummy stone will be more than adequate, can be built upon and is a great value. The 3 in 1 Xact or Razor in our kits are solid and highly versatile. Later, if you decide to purchase more dedicated angle guides, for side and/or base edges, the 3 in 1s will still be a nice tool to keep handy for sidewall planing, scraper sharpening, bevel measuring and as an additional guide. Over time you'll realize that having more than one guide expedites each job, especially when you are maintaining several pairs.

Regarding Base Repairs, you'll need some means to weld the ribbon.

Skip the DMTs and get Moonflex or other diamonds as they will last much longer. (You don't need the full range of diamonds....yet.) Be sure to use 50/50 denatured alcohol with your diamonds and keep them clean, for long life and more efficient cutting and polishing.


Edited by Alpinord - 9/23/11 at 8:48am
post #4 of 14

Happy customer

I just bought a basic tuning setup, mostly from Terry. The Xact multitool is dirt-simple, but (based on one evening of use) works really well. It will hold 100 mm files/stones for edge work (opening is about 104 mm) or any length if you put it in diagonally. The base-work side will only hold the short files, or a stone inserted short-ways, but all I'm doing on the base is knocking off rock-dings.

The only place I did not follow the advice he just gave is that I bought the cheaper DMT stones, mostly to keep the overall sticker shock for the total under control. (I bought a vice from him and an iron elsewhere, too.) I figure if they wear out, I'll replace them. (With more of the same or better ones.)

I have the exact same DMT stones that I bought at the hardware store as a knife-sharpener. The red one has seen a fair amount of use in my kitchen, and some emergency ski touch-ups, over several years, and is just recently seeming to lose its bite.

In addition to the normal file, Terry includes a large-toothed panzer file to use as a sidewall planer -- that saves $50 right there. It worked very nicely on the one set of skis I tried it on.
post #5 of 14
I have the Multi-tool from FK and it is OK for polishing with a diamond. That is all I use it for though. I would look at the Burton tool if you can only afford a single multi-user guide- otherwise think about separate guides for the sharpening and major edge work. I'd own one of the Burtons if I did not pick up a few side edge guides used. Have not done much with the base at all- I let the shop do that if needed.

Also a possible compromise would be 2 of the diamonds in a different courseness and a single medium or better moonflex for polishing. The course diamond stones could take the really rough stuff off and then do the final step with the moonflex.
post #6 of 14
How do you use a panzer file to plane sidewall?
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by Racer256 View Post
How do you use a panzer file to plane sidewall?
You need a side edge beveler that will do about 4 degrees more then your final side edge angle. If you are going to run a 3 degree side edge you need a 7 degree side edge beveler.

You use the panser in the side edge beveler and make 2 or 3 overlapping passes just like setting your side edge bevel with any other file and then a tip to tail pass.

i then go to 1 degree (in my example a 94 (4 degree))over my final bevel angle with the panser and file until sharp.

I then go to my final angle in this example (a 3 degree) with a short 15 teeth per cm file and file until sharp.

Then you are onto diamond file progression, arkansas or ceramic stone polishing and of course the final hanging burr (flat on the base edge with an arkansas or diamond stone) and reg burr removal (very lightly 45 degree on the edge with a gummi stone)
post #8 of 14
I used the orange multi-tuner shown with the dmt stones for years and I had no problems with it. I never used a file in it, though, only the 70mm (2.75" as you call them) diamond stones. If I were going to use a file, I would make sure to use something with a dedicated angle. I use the SVST base edge guide and dedicated side edge guides. These are expensive, so I would start with the multi-tuner and diamond stones. I used to use the DMT stones, but I now use the Moonface and Maplus stones. They are certainly better. However, you can get a set of 3 DMT stones (black/blue/red) for about the cost of one Maplus or Moonface stone. Start with the DMT stones and upgrade later so you appreciate the improvement.
I would go with a dedicated waxing iron with an adjustable temperature. If you are new to all this, you don't want to be constantly worrying about whether your iron is too hot. JMHO...
post #9 of 14
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Originally Posted by Racer256 View Post
Also add: Paintbrush for dusting off shavings etc.
How come I have read nothing about this before? And I've read a lot of info on tuning! I use Fiberlene to clean ski bases after handbrushing. Rotobrushing leaves a lot more wax particles whish are difficult to remove without rubbing them back into the base. I sometimes use compressed air which removes the particles but evenly distributes them throughout my basement.
The paint brush idea seems brilliant.
I'll have to try this tonight.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by quickk9 View Post
How come I have read nothing about this before? And I've read a lot of info on tuning! I use Fiberlene to clean ski bases after handbrushing. Rotobrushing leaves a lot more wax particles whish are difficult to remove without rubbing them back into the base. I sometimes use compressed air which removes the particles but evenly distributes them throughout my basement.
The paint brush idea seems brilliant.
I'll have to try this tonight.
I think he meant using the paint brush (As I do) between passes when filing edges or sidewall, to keep any metal shavings off the base and out of your beveler, particularly side edge bevelers!
post #11 of 14
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Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post
I think he meant using the paint brush (As I do) between passes when filing edges or sidewall, to keep any metal shavings off the base and out of your beveler, particularly side edge bevelers!
Yes, I caught that, but I failed to mention it in my post. I use compressed air for this also as well as to clean filings out of the sidewall guide. The paintbrush is a great idea as a tool for this and also for removing wax from rotobrushing.
post #12 of 14
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Originally Posted by majesus View Post
Hey guys, this is my first post
For Christmas, I'm asking for some tuning supplies so I can do my own skis (and my GF's pair as well.)
I just reread this. Is he asking us to get him these tuning supplies for Christmas?
I think there is a minimum number of posts required before asking other list members for gifts...me thinks that minimum number is more than 1.
post #13 of 14
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Originally Posted by quickk9 View Post
I just reread this. Is he asking us to get him these tuning supplies for Christmas?
I think there is a minimum number of posts required before asking other list members for gifts...me thinks that minimum number is more than 1.
LOL

No tuning tools for you!

Signed,

The Tool Nazi!
post #14 of 14
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Originally Posted by quickk9 View Post
I just reread this. Is he asking us to get him these tuning supplies for Christmas?
I think there is a minimum number of posts required before asking other list members for gifts...me thinks that minimum number is more than 1.
Lol, yeah you are right, I didn't say!


(It was my mom who asked what I wanted for Christmas.)

BUT... who isn't happy getting gifts from everyone eh?

Thanks everyone who gave me advice... I'm processing the info and thinking about the suggestions. Thanks again.
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