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post #31 of 47
SCHOOL!!!!!!!! :

post #32 of 47
I would ski more, except I live in England.

post #33 of 47
So? I live in flat dry land MILES from ANYWHERE - except new sheepland.

At least you are CLOSE to snow lands.

Hmmm maybe we should make sand skiing more popular - we have the territory for that!
post #34 of 47
Originally posted by disski:
So? I live in flat dry land MILES from ANYWHERE - except new sheepland.

I think that was almost a complement, naaaaah.


Hills make for better radio reception & better views
post #35 of 47
Actually - YEAH

I lived in Canetrbury area for a year - nice place [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #36 of 47
I live in Missouri.... :
post #37 of 47
My answer is pretty simple ....Company stock price of $1.66 versus ~$90.00 (like it was 2 years ago....doh!!!)......The "PLAN" was to be a RICH ski bum by now.....

And too much attachment to materialistic stuff....so I don't want to quit my job etc etc etc

post #38 of 47
The key is the job (or a really well done bank raid) having a means of keeping your arse on the slope for maximum time.

Some Japanese are doing the right thing (although they may not be using the proceeds for skiing) they've hit several ATM machines using a ditch digger. So far they've swiped about 55 million yen (about $300,000 us I guess).

That would buy a few days skiing!!

post #39 of 47
Thread Starter 
This thread seems to be winding down so I guess it's time to add my reasons. This year I'm teaching again so I'll get plenty of slide time. Being an instructor really does solve my No. 1 reason for not getting the snow time I desire. It cost too much. In the days B.C. (before children) and dual income (wife now stays at home) we would kick off the season with Thanksgiving in NE. Then we would ski locally only when the best conditions would motivate us. When March rolled around and the local scene melted, we would jet out West for a 1 1/2 to 3 week stay. Even early in our marriage when money was lean, we would drive to Colorado for a few weeks. Locally, we took advatage of the discount days and discount coupons. Back then I could ski weekdays to take advantage of the cheap times.

We also had friends living in Summit County, Colorado so we would stay with them. They then followed jobs to Woodstock, VT. so again, free lodging. This was at a time when we could most afford to pay for lodging. Our friends are not only our best freind, but also share our passion to ski, a perfect match! They now live in NH, 2 hrs. from the big hills. A curious thing, after 9 years of married 'singles lifestyle' we all had kids about the same time. We've only been to visit once in summer since their move.

Even with one child I was determined not to change my ski habits. My No.1 child went to Stowe several times, went to Jay, went to Keystone and then to Solitude. Now we have 1 income and we are paying for all our expenses. I put out a lot of cash for a very little bit of skiing. Having waited 9 years to procreate, we (meaning my wife) were not willing to 'dump' our child into daycare or ski school all day so we choose half day options (not at half the cost) which, in reality, left us 1/3 day to ski(check in/ out).

Locally, too many times I would shell out $100+ only to end up with a few runs on the greens. Ski School was not an option because of lack of cash. Oh yes, we all had or own equipment so cost of rentals were not an issue.

Seven year later No. 2 arrived in his 5 years he has been to Jay 1 time. In my daughters first 5 years she did all trips listed above. Why? You guessed it... money! So now take all the expense and hassle and mulitply by two.

I could go on about age and changing interest and attitudes, or how my favorite and least expensive area closed, or why my income has remained flat for over a decade. Still, the big reason is cost.

Lisamarie has a good point about pets. Why not a kennel at the ski area? Why not a free kennel for paying guests, at least for overnight guests?

As for parents, how about an option between full service daycare and Ski School? How about an unsupervised play area like the fast food places have were one parent can watch the little ones while the other takes some runs? Even supermarkets and some department stores offer free supervised play areas with computers and VCR's, why not ski resorts?

Finnally, why not take a lesson from supermarkets an offer a 'loss leader' item? Could be lift tickets, or daycare, something of real value. I think that once you get people to the mountain and dispell the notion that we're an elitist sport, if we can make it more affordable, more will take up the sport. If positve growth can be maintained, prices could be lowered and profits maintained by volume. If the snow sport experience is not made more kid friendly and middle class accessable, what's to keep the rest of us from heading to Disney. My kids never complained about going to the Magic Kingdom. I can't make the same claim about Ski School.

Must skiing recede to one of the pleasures of youth like partying and dancing all night?

One last thought for vail snopro. If all of us decided to move to the mountains to work on or near the ski resorts, what would happen?
post #40 of 47
Can you smell what Da Rock is cooking?

(sorry, couldn't resist, welcome, Da Rock. I sympathize with you on being in this Ski Void).

I really wanted to ski Deer Valley. I got on their website this morning, and found out that lift tickets are $67. If a couple wants to ski there one day every weekend, it's $536 a month... to go 4 times each.

Not exactly for the average couple to do, now is it? I think the expense is the number one reason lots of people Don't Even Start To Ski.
post #41 of 47
Warning: Long reply!

Now, we all have non-skiing friends, don’t we? Ask them for me why they don’t take to the slopes for a little fun? Is it too cold? Cost too much? Is it too far to travel? Are they out of shape and have no skills? What is the reason?

I have very few friends that actually ski - other friends have never made the effort to go to a decent ski resort and try the sport. Why? Don't know for sure but I think they don't know what they are missing!

What about you? Are you getting all the slope time you desire?

No way, I want a 100+ day season. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img] I do make skiing a priority in my life and manage about 20-30 days/year. Got 4 days in so far and supposed to go this weekend if weather improves.

If not, is it lack of free time? Lift ticket cost too much and can’t get value for a seasons pass?

Plenty of vacation time from current job and the cost of a lift ticket is nothing at all compared to the cost of decent lodging. I'll gladly pay Deer Valley's cost of lift ticket for the cheap lodging costs available in Park City compared to other ski resort areas. I usually pay more for lodging on local weekend trips than I've paid in Utah. $10 more for a lift ticket is a non-issue.

Is it too far to drive in winter weather? What is keeping you from getting all the ski time you desire?

I live 3 hours from a ski resort, 5 hours from a pretty good one (Snowshoe). I also live 2 hours from a major airport which makes a difference in where I ski (short direct flights are a plus). Cinn to SLC non-stop is one of the best, then cheap convienent shuttles avail to any of the resorts, no rental car necessary at resort area) you just can't beat this anywhere that I've found yet. If you can, let me know! It would have to be utopia. The cost of shuttles and length of time traveling to a resort is what has prevented me from going to Colorado so far. Too few flights avail to Eagle and Aspen and no direct flights early or late season from the 2 major airports I can drive to.

If there are several reasons, list them all but then tell me the biggest reason not to ski as often as you wish.

Lodging cost. You can't do a day trip when it's 5 hours to the resort. If I don't have someone to at least split the lodging costs then I can't afford high season. Holiday rates are out of the question. To stay on the mountain at Snowshoe is at least $200/night for 2 adults/2 children during high season. You can stay off the mountain for a little less. Drive 45 minutes to a small hotel room and you will get one for about $100/night. I go alot early and late season, but very little during high season due to the cost.
I have 2 years till I can move to a resort. Youngest dtr will graduate then I'm outta here and enjoying those 100+ ski days/year. I'm lucky because I have a degree that ensures me a job almost anywhere in the world so I have begun researching various ski areas to see where I want to go first! (for anyone curious about the degree - it's nursing, an associates degree = RN = travel nursing = go anywhere you want to go and get paid a lot of $$$ to do it)

Finally, What can the ski resorts do to get you to come slide more often?

Make more packages available that include airfare, transportation, and lodging. Resorts can also be more competetive for affordable lodging, the CEO's of companies such as Intrawest can handle a smaller bonus to ensure the rooms are booked at barely affordable rates and employees have decent wages. Ski towns in general can offer packages that include the transportation from airports and within the town to ensure that rental cars are not needed. And get some decent priced shuttles, isn't $100+ for a seat on a greyhound size bus too much? I don't care if it is a 90 minute drive, that's ridiculous. Taxi's are way too costly. Work with the airlines to ensure more direct flights are available not only during peak season but early and late season also. I do longer trips during these times since the cost are less. I have found that these planes will be almost if not completely full if good snow available so the airlines won't be losing money to provide these flights.
post #42 of 47
Cost has got to be the number one killer of this sport. Beaches are free and that's hard to compete with that for traveler's bucks; especially with kids. However, I've seen lots of really killer packages in the mags; lodging in nice condos at off-prices with lift tickets included. Deer Vally's season pass is running about even with the other Utah resorts, about $800 and they have locals discounts at around $34 a ticket. Their day care is $70 a day and is the best in Utah if not the U.S.
My main beef is the $67 lift ticket. I'm embarrassed to have friends come into town and have to pay it. So I use Alta's transferable ten ticket card at $30 a pop. The deals are out there if you dig. And then again, for the true dirt bag traveler, as I once was, there's the dorm rooms at Alta's Rustler and Peruvian. And I see the venerable Chateau Apri in Park City still lives! With it's ancient Tyrolian decor, big round swiss fireplace in the lobby, raggedy 50's ski posters, and boy scout troops and college ski clubs.
I spent Christmas in Macall Idaho skiing Brundage mountain. Cheap lodging, cheap tickets, great hill, beautiful, unspoiled country, and no Ralf Lauren stores. There is hope.
post #43 of 47
I'll get plenty of time on the hill due to our pass. We're within 30 minutes of the hill, so plenty of quick evening trips and weekends.

As for "real skiing"...the cost and the distance. VT is a good 12 hours away and still pretty pricey. To go west, I have to fly, I did that drive too many times, not doing it ever again. By the time I buy two airline tix, a room, lift tix, food, apres ski bar bills : ...it's getting out of hand. I love the sport, but it's ridiculous to spend $2k+ to go out west and ski for 4 days. Then you add in the cost of equipment (which ALWAYS needs updating)...yikes.

My other problem is with my business I must spend alot of time in the Caribbean. I know, it's tough but somebody *has* to do it . This leaves little time for me to go elsewhere (skiing)for any long period of time.

My wife and I have agreed that we are going to *try* to do one west coast trip every year though. I've skiied up and down the I-70 corridore and still want to visit places like Squaw, Snowbird, Alta, Aspen, Big Sky , Purgatory, Taos, Whistler, Sun Valley...so many places, so little time.
post #44 of 47
I still have days when work interferes with skiing, but it's relatively rare. While I do feel lucky to be able to ski as much as I do, I took the big pay cut and moved to the mountains to be able to ski 100+ days a year, and it was a conscious decision to make it happen. Having a season pass and a 15 minute drive up the canyon makes it relatively reasonable in cost and I can ski in the morning and work in the afternoon and evening or vice versa.

I will second that if more hotels allowed dogs or resorts offered kennels at a reasonable price, we would probably travel more and do some overnight trips to other resorts. We travel a lot in the summer because it's easier to find inexpensive places that accept dogs when we go on mountain biking trips.
post #45 of 47
Non-skiing friends? We live in an age where we have an incredible array of choices for entertainment. The greater the effort, time, and cost of any entertainment, the less likely it has a chance of becoming an individual's regular activity. And what one does often has more to do with what your chosen group of friends does than the individual. For young adults the barrier is low but as one matures, fewer and fewer will continue to make skiing a choice as easier entertainments, social activities, and marriage commitments eventually take their toll. One truth about skiing is no matter what one's skill level, there is a lot of potential enjoyment to be had. However the greater ones skill, the greater the potential for enjoyment. Thus athletic persons who have bothered to attain good skiing skills are most likely to both ski more frequently and be long term skiers.

I and my friends live a few hours from Tahoe resorts, thus the above negative wall is high. For me the long weary driving is certainly the worst facet. Long ago I cut loose any necessity of having to ski within a group of friends. And cost is not much an issue as I operate in a savvy cheap season passs mode etc. But I have to work 48 weeks a year to support skiing and other chosen activities. Personally I've been averaging 20+ days for over two decades and will continue to do so because I derive a great deal of pleasure from skiing. The big Tahoe resorts have considerable variety and interesting terrain especially for those at an advanced level. New Years day 2003 I bounced about in fantastic terrain with steep cold fluffy powder in the morning and soft bumps all afternoon.

Resorts and the skiing industry have always worked on getting non skiers to try the sport but they could do a better job. There is an enormous majority of athletic young people in the USA within driving distance of ski resorts who have never skied at all. The key is to make is very easy and inexpensive to introduce these athletic 15-25 year olds never evers to the sport. The ski industry needs to go right into the urban communities and round up these people in schools, work places etc. and bus them up with all the complications of introduction to the sport taken care of.
post #46 of 47
I chose to live where I live only because of its proximity to skiing. I have averaged 50 days a season for the past 20 years. I've worked a 40 hour or so week job for 15 of those years. I catch every powder day that I want.I have made sacrifices. I could make double what I make in a larger city, I could make more here but it would cut into my recreation time so I don't. So what? I just started a new job and instead of more money at the end of the 90 day probationary period I asked for more vacation/personal time. One of the main reasons for the switch was the ability to take mornings, afternoons, or even full days off if the conditions warrant it.

I have so much fun every week of every season of the year and I have the time to do it. Cost of skiing has actually gone down in the past three years. My wife and I have two season passes each, my 6 year daughter averages about 15 days per season with us. I rarely leave the house before 10:AM, powder days exempted, and I'm home by 5:PM. Some days I'll sit at home and wait for the snow to accumulate before trekking to the mountains. There are many people who live here that know that elsewhere they could have the"American Dream" instead the live a good life here to live their dream.

There are choices and sacrifices to be made to enjoy certain lifestyles. You just have to be willing to make that choice.
post #47 of 47
Few years ago I moved from Italy to Southern France.
Great job, great pay but...No mountains.
So, when the time came, I went back to Italy, lower pay, less inspiring job but mountains all over (first resorts is at 35 minutes, St. Moritz 1.5-2 hrs).
Alas, since I started a family, my previous 30-40 days a year of skiing are now divided amongst the whole family, so each of us
get +/- 10 days a year (snow conditions allowing).
So, the number one reason I do not skis as much as I like is
$$$$ (or Euro, if you prefer). Accordingly, I've not set foot in St. Moritz...
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