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post #31 of 45
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If there's one thing that's guaranteed to get gaper's undies in a bundle, it's posting about the common sense unwritten rules of skiing on Epic.

The "Skiers Code" says the downhill skier has the right of way. That's cool, but it's not gonna stop me from looking uphill when skiing onto a run or cat track from the side. The "skiers code" ain't a whole lot of comfort when you're in traction in the hospital.
post #32 of 45
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If they DO leave a wide side, then of course. However, some inexperienced and or inconsiderate skiers who are afraid of speed often make turns from edge to edge of runouts. It is fine to turn to control speed, but when it is controlling others' speed, that is when that skier has become a hazzard. Being the downhill skier is not a license to block the trail.
Actually that is exactly what right of way means. And I would be a little annoyed too in that situation. I would proabbly look for a higher traverse that will take me where I want to go.
post #33 of 45
What I was taught was your "bail out lane "is a hocky stop, period. Anything else is out of control skiing. If you can't stop on a dime, anytime, anywhere, then you're out of control. Sure, there are runouts when you're hucking stuff or whatever, but these are usually very well defined. And, I usually never ski next to a bluff on a groomer because of wall hits coming down behind and keep an eye peeled for boarders flying out of woods- but this is in no way my responsibility, just self-preservation.

I once nearly took a kid's head off when hucking a cornice. He was standing under the lip and I never saw him- in fact, I never saw him at all, I kept right on going down the bowl and through the trees. My friend told me at the bottom. But if I had hit him, it would have been 100% my fault with all the consequences that go with that. It was a dumb place to stand, but he was not required to provide me with a "bailout lane" or any other kind of lane. Downhill skier/boarder has the right of way always. Period.

So, this is purely self defense against kooks, right? Most of what you're saying makes sense as situational awareness, but...you don't really expect us to provide you a bail out lane? Cheeze, it started dumping again after a slight lull. This here's a three day storm.
post #34 of 45
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.....saying makes sense as situational awareness, but...you don't really expect us to provide you a bail out lane?
You know, I must have written something other than I meant, as everyone hates the bail out lane. What I mean is that if a skier doesn't take his linked turns all the way to the edge (on a big wide road, where the edge has no special appeal) you can get by him, safely and politely. I don't guess anyone is ever going to think about that kind of minutiae, nor would I expect it.
post #35 of 45
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Yep, like slower traffic staying in the right hand lane. If all skiers acted accordingly on outruns there wouldn't be conflict.
Unless they're British, Japanese, or from down under (which is a substantial part of the crowd on some mountains) in which case we'd have to give them a left hand lane.
post #36 of 45
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I once nearly took a kid's head off when hucking a cornice. He was standing under the lip and I never saw him- in fact, I never saw him at all, I kept right on going down the bowl and through the trees. My friend told me at the bottom. But if I had hit him, it would have been 100% my fault with all the consequences that go with that. It was a dumb place to stand, but he was not required to provide me with a "bailout lane" or any other kind of lane. Downhill skier/boarder has the right of way always. Period.
I would have thought it was the kid’s responsibility to stop in a spot where he would be visible from above.
post #37 of 45
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
If you can't stop on a dime, anytime, anywhere, then you're out of control.
I'm surprised this didn't generate some discussion. From my experience, this doesn't reflect dynamic skiing at all. You might be able to start a hockey stop on a dime, but actually coming to rest can take a good deal longer.

I'm sure you meant this in the context of either be able to stop on a dime or don't ski in a manner that prevents it on a slope where you would need to, and that I agree with. Thinking is the key ability being in control, emergency stops are usually only required when one fails to do that.
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post #39 of 45
Skiing, like all other forms of transport faster than a brisk walk, become dangerous to some degree when people do the unexpected or unusual. When approaching a slower skier on a catwalk who is gliding straight down the right side, you don't expect him to suddenly cross over to the left and stop. He may have the right of way, but if you are holding a lot of speed to avoid a trudge, making your approach to him fast, it will be quite a feat to miss him.

Same as if you are linking turns down the fall line in the middle of a run and decide to pull a right angle into the trees, you would be wise to take a quick peek over your shoulder first. If I'm cruising high speed GS turns down the right side, I'm not expecting that move. I might be able to avoid you, but at 250#s, skiing at speed, if I can't it will be messy.
post #40 of 45
Item #3 in "The Code" .... You should not stop where you obstruct a trail or are not visible from above.

hope that makes you feel better crab ... the nit wit should have cleared that area .. even if he had a yard sale ... collect your stuff and get behind something or out of the way
post #41 of 45
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Originally Posted by Jer View Post
I think most problems at resorts can be solved with one simple rule - be aware that there are other people around you. Most stupid/dangerous behavior I see at resorts is a direct result of somebody acting like they're the only one on the hill.
^^ QFTW!
post #42 of 45
Stop on a dime?

I think a review of the physical laws of the universe is in order.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab View Post
What I was taught was your "bail out lane "is a hocky stop, period. Anything else is out of control skiing. If you can't stop on a dime, anytime, anywhere, then you're out of control. Sure, there are runouts when you're hucking stuff or whatever, but these are usually very well defined. And, I usually never ski next to a bluff on a groomer because of wall hits coming down behind and keep an eye peeled for boarders flying out of woods- but this is in no way my responsibility, just self-preservation.

I once nearly took a kid's head off when hucking a cornice. He was standing under the lip and I never saw him- in fact, I never saw him at all, I kept right on going down the bowl and through the trees. My friend told me at the bottom. But if I had hit him, it would have been 100% my fault with all the consequences that go with that. It was a dumb place to stand, but he was not required to provide me with a "bailout lane" or any other kind of lane. Downhill skier/boarder has the right of way always. Period.

So, this is purely self defense against kooks, right? Most of what you're saying makes sense as situational awareness, but...you don't really expect us to provide you a bail out lane? Cheeze, it started dumping again after a slight lull. This here's a three day storm.
not your fault if you hit someone stopped below a blind off trail situtation still not something you want to do. but noone should stop in blind spot.

you stop dead on a traverse and dont get out of way, in or out of uniform I am going to let you know about it.

If you stop on a uphill runout like the supreme access. I have the right of way, I am the downhill skier. You best get out of the way.

Downhill skier doesnt allways have the right of wall. I give everyone as much room as I can possiable can while skiing. but lets face it people who do random turns in the middles of what seems to be the same turn over again and sudden traverse the hill at 30mph with out looking over thier shoulder are bound to be hit at sometime.

Also I would contend being the fastest skier on the hill and staying in the fallline is the best way not to get hit on groomers. You dont have to worry about anything behind you and as long as you keep looking ahead and go the fastest you can appropriate speed for terrain, conditions, and crowds you should be fine.
post #44 of 45
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signaling?

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Originally Posted by philippeR View Post
osram LED available in red and white. brake and signal lights for skiers not far off

all kidding aside, that unpredictable turn on a main road is perfectly deal-with-able when a signal is made. when I have to turn off the road to enter a lift line mid-trail, I frikkin' signal, you betcha.

And that's not in the skier's code. I have to think the code is just a start, and probably was written when skier density was half what it is today.
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by davluri View Post
osram LED available in red and white. brake and signal lights for skiers not far off

all kidding aside, that unpredictable turn on a main road is perfectly deal-with-able when a signal is made. when I have to turn off the road to enter a lift line mid-trail, I frikkin' signal, you betcha.

And that's not in the skier's code. I have to think the code is just a start, and probably was written when skier density was half what it is today.
That's a nice double entendre (as you say in english...)
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