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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
The images linked hereunder are S.E.





Taken from this site

I'ts written in Italian, basically the writer complains about being left
out in the cold (with all the others) under the rain for 100+minutes at 3000mt
waiting for the funicular railway with no explainations, and then told to go to the
chairlift...again whit no apparent reason, and no apparent funicular railway breakdown...

According to the writer it happened mid-July...

Edited to leave the link to the images but not the image itself...

[ August 16, 2002, 12:41 AM: Message edited by: M@tteo ]
post #2 of 11
Exactly why do European ski resorts refuse to adopt North American methods to organize lift queues? When I go to Austria in January, if anyone tries to cut in front of me, or walks on top of my skis, I will use the business end of my ski pole to set things straight.
post #3 of 11
Erm huh?
Us Europeans are actually quite good at organizing ski lifts. I am English so I had lessons at school on how to organize the life out of things! The lift systems over here are generally pretty good but are definitely getting better. There are obviously some bad days but I am sure that is true in any resort around the world. Lets not judge Europe's skiing on one bad day in one resort! Perspective is what we need here people and I have attempted to insert a little.
Having said that I did laugh when I saw that queue can you imagine what a nightmare, still some of the people deserved to have to wait especially the dude in the last photo wearing a pink rucksack with a red suit! :
post #4 of 11
Thread Starter 
Originally posted by jamesdeluxe:
Exactly why do European ski resorts refuse to adopt North American methods to organize lift queues? When I go to Austria in January, if anyone tries to cut in front of me, or walks on top of my skis, I will use the business end of my ski pole to set things straight.
One qustion and maybe a bit of explanation..
Q, James, would you please explain to me this "North American method"? (Sincerly interested, not trying to polemize)

Tignes glacier is, as many glaciers, tiny.
And in summer it can get very crowded.
Inevitably, big crowd+little room (aka one or
two lift to bring people down from the glacier to the valley)+a possible lift malfunction=havoc!

Now,Austria, January? Do you mean in 2003? Where exactly?
post #5 of 11
Originally posted by jamesdeluxe:
Exactly why do European ski resorts refuse to adopt North American methods to organize lift queues?
In Germany at one time you, could get cheap theatre tickets if you queued. Only students and low-lifes would do this as a regular German would not demean himself to queue. Bus stops are dangerous especially if the old granny has an umbrella along with her specially sharpened elbows.
Why don't they adopt the queueing system? It's a cultural thing. The Americans probably got it from the English and refined it.
post #6 of 11
Actually, I've never skied there. I'm basing that comment on lots of friends who have (and absolutely loved it, other than the queue problem), as well as a recent book (written by two of Wear The Fox Hat's mates):

"Impatient skiers and unruly lift lines make wait seem longer. European lift lines often look a lot worse than they really are because of the jostling. Guests of some nationalities don't like to wait, and they push.

Many European ski areas have not yet discovered the benefits of good lift corrals and mazes to load skiers in the most orderly fashion possible. The funnel is still the most common shape of waiting area, and it tends to induce a certain closeness to the next skier, one that may be quite nice on occasion, but also one you do not really care for most of the time. The wait is not that long, but memories of the unruly manner often linger."

We've yet to put down a deposit, but we're probably going to stay in Kitzb├╝hel right after the holidays (Jan 4-12) and buy the Kitz Ski-Alpen Pass for six days. Let me know if you would like to join us!
post #7 of 11
Loke, Jamesdeluxe is pretty right, our lift queues in Europe comparing to North America are not organized at all ! M@tteo, it's only that when you go to the chairlift, let's see, a four-seats chairlift, you'll find 3 corridors with ropes, the larger one is 4 people front, next is 3 people, last one is one single person, something like that in order to complete each chair on the lift, and man, one resort employee is there to tell which line should go forward .... Remember myself at Alta this guy whom sole job for the day was to tell people "front line, Goooooooo !!" He was making fun with that actually .... and people is waiting .... quietly, man !

Thinking that sometimes in the Alps, means during the vacations period for instance, and on the base lifts - those that are usually over-crowded, our resort managers might do an effort and organize a little bit more the lines ..

Naaaa, actually I don't give a shit, better way is knowing well your region and places where to go in order to avoid crowd .... what I do so :

[ August 01, 2002, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Jackdaw ]
post #8 of 11
But if you know what your doing you can move quickly through the European lifts lines passing other people in front of you! I enjoy the challenge of European lines, because I've done this so long I usually end up ahead of the game.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
I was goimg to say that I'm really pi..ed, at times, for how this queuing thing goes on in Italy, b/c from what I've observed in Germany and Austria, even France, queuing is carried out in a more ordered way (and I'm not referring to ski only), then pyramid post has resumed it pretty well, this attitude of "I'm smarter than you, teehee..."
But then, as is said, when in Rome do as the romans do...
Probably, putting an accesss system like James described could work... but we should also practice a lobotomy to 97% of the skiers...
(what I really mean is that what is need is a change of peoples culture re to queues... personally I find that with the Tomba years, there has been such an increase of people wanting to ski, that, simply said, these people had not time to absorb this "culture" of this new environment that is "skiing" and, simply by force of their sheer number, brought their "everyday culture" to the mountain)
post #10 of 11
M@tteo, you are the first person to put up a picture of somewhere I recognised, then spoilt my fun by telling everyone where it is!

21st December 2001. Went up the funicular. Went outside. -20 C. Strong wind. Snow. Low visibility. Went down the funicular. Fair weather skier, that's me.

I don't mind the jostling in Alpine lift queues but I hate the way people won't fill up a chair lift because it's so vital they sit with their friends. When it got really busy in Tignes I once saw a man insisting people fill the 6-person lift, but that was just once.
post #11 of 11
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Sorry Frances! that's because I wanted to make it clear that it was FRANCE, and not Italy, depicted into the picture...
(althought I suspect that 97% of the "mobsters" there were Italians)
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