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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am in the market for a new ski jacket to replace my Columbia jacket which offers very little in the way of waterproofness or wind protection. I would like to keep it under $350, but am willing to take the time to look around for a good deal on ebay, sac, etc; however, I do need it by late December.

Some features I would like:
hardshell
removable/stowable hood
very breathable/waterproof
powder skirt
taped seams
waterproof zippers
durable, able to last for at least 600 ski hours

I have been looking at the Arc'teryx Sidewinder AR, but have been having trouble finding one in my price range in a medium in black or red. Are there any other jackets that have the features that I want in a lower price point? I have been searching every brand that I know of, but have not found anything. Any other recommendations?

Thanks
post #2 of 23
I bought my husband a Moonstone last year for a great price ... I think it was $350 originally, and since Moonstone went out of business (was it acquired by Columbia or something? not sure), they are being sold at deep discount. I think the one I bought was $150 or something.

Anyway, it's a great coat, has all the attributes (except maybe not the powder skirt -- I can't tell you exactly right now, because he is wearing it).

My brother had an old Moonstone goretex that he wore for at least 10 years. And I don't mean wore occasionally: he has lived and worked in the mtns since the 80s. The jacket was eventually fairly trashed, but it was functional for well over 600 DAYS, much less hours.
post #3 of 23
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very breathable/waterproof
Does anything equal Gore-Tex? Maybe Patagonia's substitute, but any of the other subs? I haven't found anything equal to Gore-tex yet.

Sierra Trading Post is always a place to look for a bargain.
post #4 of 23
PM me, I sell Karbon and have some nice parkas with all you requested and even more features for very good pricing for Bears!

bud
post #5 of 23
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
Does anything equal Gore-Tex? . . . . I haven't found anything equal to Gore-tex yet.
I think they're much better at marketing than at advancing textile/fabric technology these days:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=61636

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=23506 <- Note the dates on this one.
post #6 of 23
FWIW...Karbon ski jackets are relatively inexpensive and come with all the bells and whistles. I have both jacket and pants I got last year on sale.
post #7 of 23
I was in the Columbia store at Keystone this week. Talking to the store manager he said that this year the patent had expired on Gore Tex. The Columbia parkas which retailed at $229 were full up Gore Tex. They still can't use the name but it's the same stuff.
post #8 of 23
IMO.....YMMV.....and FWIW......The most fully thought out line of ski clothing on the market is Spyder. The W/P component is not that hard but the Br part is. The Spyder "Outturn" jacket has the most comprehensive venting system of any jacket I sell and is far more comfortable and detailed than any of the more expensive Patagonia garments that I also carry.

The "breathable" part of WP/Br is to some extent fictional and venting is the way to make that work best. BTW....I never think of skiwear as raingear since I don't ski in the rain very often and never for very long.

SJ
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by jamesgig View Post
very breathable/waterproof
IMO this does not exist. I suggest you look for a softshell that has Gore-tex in strategic places like the shoulders. This will give you great breathability with the waterproofing that you will need.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am looking for something with simpler styling, which is one of the reasons that I like the Arcteryx. Most of the Spyder stuff is just too busy for my tastes. I am having trouble finding pictures of the Karbon lines other than the drawings on their site, where can I find some images?

I would certainly consider another fabric other than gortex. I just bought some Cloudveil Koven pants as they were a good deal and I have never seen a single complaint about the breathability/waterproofness of the Cloudveil material.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by jamesgig View Post
I am looking for something with simpler styling, which is one of the reasons that I like the Arcteryx. Most of the Spyder stuff is just too busy for my tastes. I am having trouble finding pictures of the Karbon lines other than the drawings on their site, where can I find some images?

I would certainly consider another fabric other than gortex. I just bought some Cloudveil Koven pants as they were a good deal and I have never seen a single complaint about the breathability/waterproofness of the Cloudveil material.
Karbon is pretty simply as far as style goes IMO - classic red, black, and blue parkas and some orange hardshsells. They are pretty rugged looking - nothing flashy or fancy but more function over form type of thing. I see a lot of ski patrollers and ski schools in their gear..I think because its cheaper than the fancier brands and is pretty durable. My local sporting goods store here is a Karbon retailer so I can find them pretty easy, but in general it's not a brand you see a lot of in stores here in the US. Here is the website if you havent been to it and they have a dealer locator as well. I aggree it's hard to find photos of their gear - it's pretty boneheaded to not show the photos on their website. Why they just show drawings is beyond me. Pretty weird marketing ploy.

http://www.karbon.net/collection_mens.html
post #12 of 23
Sac......
post #13 of 23
"Choosy mothers choose JIF." Anyway,a month ago there were Arcteryx Scorpion jackets on sale for about $329 (in orca color); a Scorpion would reasonably cover what you're asking for, except the removable hood.
post #14 of 23
eVent is a new material from Westcomb that is more breathable and waterproof than gore tex, you should check it out the stuff is pretty crazy. The claim with the material is that it lets the sweat out, which leads to a drier and happier you.
post #15 of 23
If you're a size Medium... check out www.gearsamples.com. They've got Patagonia, Marmot, and Arcteryx.

I ordered a Patagonia Rubicon from them last Thursday and received it on Monday this week. I recommend them.
post #16 of 23
Get something with Gore-Tex XCR if you can. It is significantly more breathable than regular Gore-Tex and the many other proprietary materials. My XCR jacket and pants breathe better than some of my old non-waterproof stuff.
post #17 of 23
http://www.thenorthface.com/opencms/...8V&language=en

Got this for 150.00 at Bloomingdales... great jacket. I wear it in the rain all the time.
post #18 of 23
Patagonia Primo jacket. I must be closing in on 1,000 hours in mine, and there isn't a scratch on it yet. Mine dates back to when it used a GoreTex XCR liner; I believe it's changed to Patagonia's proprietary liner now. You should be able to find one for $300 something if you search.

I've been skiing in rain, sleet and snow-storms in mine, and I've never gotten wet. It doesn't breathe as well as a soft shell, but it breathes awfully well.
post #19 of 23
SAC gear storm. Done! Bel fast be real fast.
post #20 of 23
I would say that in terms of "high tech" laminates, GoreTex used to be along way ahead, several companies caught up a few yeards ago.

I would recomend a jacket that is a laminate construction but it looks like you are already on the right track for that.

As mentioned, if you want a truely waterproof jacket you will sacrafice breathability, and therefore venting is important.

However venting adds zippers and you have to make sure all the zippers on the jacket are waterproof.

For your budget you should be able to get a very good jacket, and have some left over for a breathable soft shell.
post #21 of 23
I was given an Arcteryx jacket two years ago and have since switched over to jackets and pants. They are the best in all conditions.
post #22 of 23
Thread Starter 
How many layers can you wear underneath before it becomes tight, obviously this depends on the jacket, but what is the average? My current Columbia is one of those 3 in 1 deals, which is convenient when you want to shed the shell, but when you take the fleece out, the shell is several sizes too big.

After doing more research, I am pretty sold on just a shell and varying my layers.
post #23 of 23
I just got my Arc'Teryx Theta AR brand new 2008 model with the goretex proshell for 345 at REI!!
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