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Poll Results: Technical content is

 
  • 27% (9)
    overrun by harb follower opinion
  • 15% (5)
    mostly hack
  • 18% (6)
    mostly PSIA
  • 27% (9)
    very professional
  • 9% (3)
    utterly useless
  • 3% (1)
    void of Epic coach opinion
33 Total Votes  
post #31 of 43
Thread Starter 
SSG,

Here's a quote that I find appalling:

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Originally Posted by Harb, from a thread on the realskiers.com pmtsforum
Those of you who are arguing or defining proper technique for the Epic crowd, have a long uphill battle, as they have been for so long, misinformed about WC technique and they continue to be misinformed, and they continue to believe those that misinform, so it’s truly a testament to the patience of the PMTS skiers who are trying to educate on Epic.
I find it patronizing and very deserving of attitude, regardless of the contents of the C.V. If I want to be "educated", I know where to point my browser, and what books I should read. Yes, I own three of them, the "essentials" being a favourite. So don't bother forcing it down my throat. Thank you.
post #32 of 43
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Originally Posted by SoftSnowGuy View Post
By the way, consider the curriculum vitae of the ski coach listed in the first choice...former member of the Canadian National Team, has FIS points, former overall champion on the Eastern pro racing circuit, USSCA master coach, has coached winners of four Olympic medals including Tommy Moe, is a former PSIA national demo team member, has had two papers accepted for presentation at the 2nd International Congress on Science and Skiing, has four skiing books in print and is the best selling ski-coach author on Amazon, co-authors on some books include a PhD biomechanist and an adult educator. Take it for what it is, but it ain't chopped liver and doesn't deserve an "attitude."
I don't see a coach listed in the first choice as overruning these forums. I see the choice as being followers of that coach that may not always reflect the true meanings of that coach. There is a very big difference.
post #33 of 43
Every technical comment and bit of advice should be open for critique and dissection from any poster for any reason.[/quote]

Being relatively new here I get the sense that people are tiired of the same old power struggles over systems as well as want to present Epic Ski as a worthy site that greets new skiers or skiers new to the forum.

Couple of thoughts if anyone cares. "Systems" & sales get tiresome. It's our culture, but, life changes. As far as PSIA,CSIA, PMTS etc etc, the dominance of any of them are reflected by our population, wants, desires,needs and experiences, who finds which to be most effective for their needs. Which are closed, which are open systems & moving forward accepting new ideas & improvement. Static systems suck ! And people move on when it's the same old sales pitch. But, if they move on to something just as closed, they will move on in their search for improvement & enjoyment of the sport. Rarely is there one right way. Rarely does one thing meet everyone's needs. We all look for those golden nuggets that help us find what we need.

Second, respect & civility go a long way. I don't mind seeing the bullshit meter go off if someone backs up why with some clarification, but pass when the name calling starts! The constant demand for who you are & what you are and your creds is bullshit because where is the verification of those creds or video demand ? Where is the thread that shows us you are and that someone official actually checked & documented your authenticity & citizenship? What right do you have to post here & expect anyone to listen or care ?

Geez !

You are either here because there is no snow & you have no friends, you wished you skied, or, you ski & need friends that will join you skiing, and/or really care to learn & share. Questioining is how we learn. Sharing is also how we learn. Clarifying our thoughts & experiences, add to that the knowlege & experiences of others if you care to listen. No one knows it all but fortunatly everyone knows & experiences something ( I hope ).

So, my final rant is, if you want to be a true blue Corporate American do this : pick a side, buy everything that side has to say, lay out the money, and then repeat all that you've heard. I probably won't be hearing you because I will be interacting with God know's who, from where, and what age, 3 yr olds,10 yr olds, ancient folk, other cultures , legal, illegal, or just visiting & we will be out in the sun, snow or whatever is sent us by whomeever & having a great time with each other.

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Originally Posted by Pierre View Post
I don't see a coach listed in the first choice as overruning these forums. I see the choice as being followers of that coach that may not always reflect the true meanings of that coach. There is a very big difference.
Great point Pierre ! We all want to learn & share. Be respectful & civil & it will assist everyone ! As well as keep Epic Ski as a place where everyone is and feels welcome. We all find our niche somewhere & this is a large on-line community to do it in. But above all, respect others while you are doing it.
post #34 of 43
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Originally Posted by 911over View Post
We all want to learn & share. Be respectful & civil & it will assist everyone ! As well as keep Epic Ski as a place where everyone is and feels welcome. We all find our niche somewhere & this is a large on-line community to do it in. But above all, respect others while you are doing it.


It's OK, 911, you're new here. Those illusions will fade soon enough.
post #35 of 43
He sings with great enthusiasm and with a bit of work can sing a bit better if he chooses to get some lessons from a qualified pro.
Should he learn country, German Opera or maybe some native Australian ?

Is there a system that would bring him success quicker ? Would it be narrowly focused and bring a skill to bear sooner but be a narrow piece of the whole spectrum of singing styles ? Are some better than others ? Or are they more likely ones that appeal to him ?

Does that mean that some styles of learning are false because there is some truth to be found in another ?

We'll decide for ourselves , through discussion ,argument plausible theories,direct instruction , visual aids and by reading from those with different and extensive experience.

How better can we decide what is best for us than inspection and questioning to gain a deeper understanding ?
post #36 of 43
Harriett's use of wardrobe as curtains/wall deco there just doesn't work for me. And those colors - agghhh. He could use a total system change in his fashion for sure. Clearly he doesn't like the song he's singing, just looks wayy too tortured.

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Originally Posted by Rick View Post


It's OK, 911, you're new here. Those illusions will fade soon enough.
I ran out of illusions so long ago that I don't even know what those are anymore.
post #37 of 43
Oh, nonsense, GarryZ. Here's the reality, from one who knows better than anyone else:

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Those of you who are arguing or defining proper singing technique for the Epic crowd, have a long uphill battle, as they have been for so long, misinformed about WorldClass singing technique and they continue to be misinformed, and they continue to believe those that misinform, so it’s truly a testament to the patience of the PMTS singers who are trying to educate on Epic.
post #38 of 43
Thread Starter 
"Everybody" knows no one but a WC skier was qualified to MA WC skiing. Did ya know realskiers forum has a bunch of WC guys hanging out? I mean they all know how to "MA" a WC skier, they all must be ex-WC.

Sheesh.
post #39 of 43
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
"Everybody" knows no one but a WC skier was qualified to MA WC skiing. Did ya know realskiers forum has a bunch of WC guys hanging out? I mean they all know how to "MA" a WC skier, they all must be ex-WC.

Sheesh.
Hey, just hold on now!! :

Everyone knows the Canadian mens Slalom team of the late 60's was a competitive powerhouse. Equaled in legend only by the Jamaican Bobsled team of the 80's, and that infamous Eddie the eagle!
post #40 of 43
Thread Starter 
I think Nancy Greene would have a problem with that.....
post #41 of 43
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Originally Posted by BigE View Post
I think Nancy Greene would have a problem with that.....
Ah,,, sorry,,, didn't realize he pulled a Renee Richards and skied for the womens squad. :
post #42 of 43
Thread Starter 
It's just that she's the only skier worth talking about from that era. The rest are completely inconsequential.
post #43 of 43
Quote:
has anyone from those alternative schools of thought, with an acceptable degree of credibility, asked to be included in that group?
Yes. Last week. I haven't heard a thing back. But then again, I'm not PSIA
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