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post #1 of 118
11/19/07 at 7:39pm
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I was underwhelmed by ski patrol's handling of an incident which occurred between my wife and another skier.

My wife is a green/blue skier, and saw a downed skier receiving care from ski patrol downslope. She slowed and turned across the mountain to avoid the scene. Another young girl (19ish) bowled over my wife from behind, probably going twice the appropriate speed for her ability. Fortunately, neither skier was badly injured, although my wife's face was bruised up pretty bad.

The kicker was that ski patrol saw the incident and cited the other skier for "reckless skiing." This girl starts spouting off that she's a "local" and "on the ski team" and implying that my wife was to blame. (Found out she's actually from Boulder, LOL)

In order to "diffuse" the situation, ski patroller told all of us that they shared blame. After she skied off, my wife and I were irate that we were sharing the blame. He quickly told us that he was just telling her that
to "get rid of her" because of her "poor attitude." He "hotted" her card which I'm told means she has to take a 1 1/2 hr safety course to be able to ski on the resorts.

I'm shocked at the leniency of the patrol. What does it take to get kicked off the mountain? If she had slammed into a member of the ski patrol, I suspect things may have been handled more appropriately (in my eyes).

My expectation, although I've never been in a similar situation before, was that this type of blatant irresponsibility, followed by obvious disrespect for the skier's code, and patrols authority, would result in immediate expulsion.

My kids have been in ski school, and my wife is rethinking the entire sport, for herself and our kids. It'd take more for me to rethink things for myself, but I'm really not sure that there is adequate enforcement of the code.

We brought the incident forward to mountain administration. If this ever happens again, what are your thoughts?

What would you have done differently?

Have been enjoying some early season manmade, and am looking forward to better conditions on later visits this season.

Thanks in advance for your thoughts (except gaper/jong flames haha)

Peace,

-Z
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post #2 of 118
11/19/07 at 10:31pm
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Originally Posted by DockerZ View Post
...Another young girl (19ish) ...

He "hotted" her card which I'm told means she has to take a 1 1/2 hr safety course to be able to ski on the resorts.
Um, I'm guessing this has a different meaning than you were told. :

No, that wouldn't happen. I think you ski with your head on a swivel. The girl had absolute responsibility to avoid this collision, but I would never bet my well being on other skiers doing what they are supposed to do. Before any big change in direction or speed on the groomers, it pays to steal a look up the hill. It shouldn't be that way, but better safe than splattered.
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post #3 of 118
11/19/07 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider View Post
Um, I'm guessing this has a different meaning than you were told. :
Yeah, I wonder about the "hotting" too. Haha.

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No, that wouldn't happen. I think you ski with your head on a swivel. The girl had absolute responsibility to avoid this collision, but I would never bet my well being on other skiers doing what they are supposed to do. Before any big change in direction or speed on the groomers, it pays to steal a look up the hill. It shouldn't be that way, but better safe than splattered.
So how common are collisions? We are both novices, but coming along, and really loving it [until this]. She's a level 4/5, me a 5/6. Really spooked her, and I'm hoping to get her on that horse again soon to ride! I can only imagine that MOST ALL collisions are NOT witnessed by patrol. When patrol witnesses something so blatant, and fails to take a hard stance, that is worrisome.

My wife's a mommy, a professional, and a tennis stud, all which are more important to her than skiing and risk being plowed by some irresponsible, out of control, teenager. I suspect the likelihood of her being ramrodded again are slim to none, but even between us we have little time on the mountain to get a balanced perspective.

Regards,

-Z
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post #4 of 118
11/19/07 at 11:21pm
I think it depends on WHERE you ski. If it's like where I used to ski, Camelback, you divide 10000 skiers by 125 acres and do the math. Their clinic is like one of those ER rooms you see on TV shows.

Where I am now, it's 7000 skiers divided by 3000 acres. Do the math. You can walk in the clinic and they're thrilled for the company.
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post #5 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:04am

Collision

DockerZ, lst welcome to Epic, glad to have you and your wife. There are a lot of answer to your question. Do you ski in a really crowded place? Maybe switch runs or areas of runs or resorts or days you ski. Obviously Sat. are the worst. If you can only ski on weekends, try Sun afernoon for the crowded runs otherwise scout around and find where the idiots aren't.
Ski early then about 1030-1130 take a morning break, ski during lunch time 12-1:30 to avoid crowds. Keep aware of where you are and whats going on around you and above you. A lot of times I will ski the edges of a run, better snow and less people.

AND, don't even think about giving up skiing. I've skied for about 40 years and have one collision. I clobbered a boarder - and that doesn't count - Obviously I don't know where you're skiing but adapt don't quit. There are other methods also; i.e., hold your poles straight out behind you - skewered out of control skier/boarder .

You can't rely on the ski patrol to protect you from a couple out of control jerks so be proactive and watch out as outlined above. Better yet move to Whitefish and ski with Sibhusky, absolutely no out of control intermediate is ever going to run into her - she way to fast for them.

Good Luck, have a great winter and don't let one incident ruin your family's fun.
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post #6 of 118
11/20/07 at 4:48am
" Really spooked her, and I'm hoping to get her on that horse again soon to ride!"


Wife got taken out by a boarder "hit her square between shoulder blades 3 seasons ago" She is still spooked by crowded slopes be they boarders or skiers.
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post #7 of 118
11/20/07 at 5:22am
Just so you don't get the wrong impression, the kid that hit your wife was probably not on any ski team. There are a few dead giveaways here in her story.

#1. If she was a local on the team she would have had a season pass and not a ticket and they wouldn't use magic marker to tag her, they'd pull the pass, have a talk with the coach etc ... and then give it back to her.

#2 Telling patrol or a ranger that you are on the ski team is like telling a cop who pulls you over for speeding that your Uncle Vinnie is in the mob and besides, you've beaten every charge that you've been nailed for.

Patrol and Rangers usually .... well .... those kids are more targets for them and they seldom get cut a break.
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post #8 of 118
11/20/07 at 5:57am
The situation with reckless skiing has gotten ridiculous. You have every right to be furious with the other skier and with the patrol and the management of the area. The suggestion that you need to seek out less crowded runs or ski on days other than weekends is equally insulting and ridiculous. If runs are crowded then skiers need to slow down! Advanced skiers should also respect those that are of lesser ability.

The fact is that the areas do NOTHING to try and curtail reckless skiing. They do NOTHING to educate the public about the risks and problems. They think printing the responsibility code on napkins is enough. With the decline in instruction in the US there is little or no education on safe conduct and traditions are not being passed on.

The answer is simple. The NSAA should mandate yearly skier education. A simple 20 minute film/course would earn a skier a card that can be used at all areas. No card, no pass or lift ticket. There should also be a zero tolerance policy regarding skier collisions. If you violate the skier code and a collision results you lose your pass or ticket for the day. If injuries result you lose your skiing privileges for the year.

While the skier in this instance may not have been in the race program. Many in these programs are among the biggest offenders of buzzing people and leaving very little margin for error. Instead of being mentored to be ambassadors and caretakers of the sport they ski areas with an unbelievable sense of entitlement.
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post #9 of 118
11/20/07 at 8:04am
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
The situation with reckless skiing has gotten ridiculous. You have every right to be furious with the other skier and with the patrol and the management of the area. The suggestion that you need to seek out less crowded runs or ski on days other than weekends is equally insulting and ridiculous. If runs are crowded then skiers need to slow down! Advanced skiers should also respect those that are of lesser ability.

The fact is that the areas do NOTHING to try and curtail reckless skiing. They do NOTHING to educate the public about the risks and problems. They think printing the responsibility code on napkins is enough. With the decline in instruction in the US there is little or no education on safe conduct and traditions are not being passed on.

The answer is simple. The NSAA should mandate yearly skier education. A simple 20 minute film/course would earn a skier a card that can be used at all areas. No card, no pass or lift ticket. There should also be a zero tolerance policy regarding skier collisions. If you violate the skier code and a collision results you lose your pass or ticket for the day. If injuries result you lose your skiing privileges for the year.

While the skier in this instance may not have been in the race program. Many in these programs are among the biggest offenders of buzzing people and leaving very little margin for error. Instead of being mentored to be ambassadors and caretakers of the sport they ski areas with an unbelievable sense of entitlement.
I think pulling passes lets people off too easily. You should have hit both the patroller and the person who collided with your wife. Hell, you should have hit the original injured party too, they made your wife swerve, and the patroller could have dealt with the perp if he wasn't to busy trying to help the injured skier.

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post #10 of 118
11/20/07 at 10:11am
You could maintain an action for damages for personal injuries for negligence against that skier. Breach of the skiers' code would certainly be evidence of that negligence, in addition to any other relevant facts. If the perp is a minor, the parents will be held liable for the minor's actions.

So, after a collision, the identity of the other skier and any witnesses is very important. Get all the info, even if it means chasing the skier down the hill and demanding their identification documents and enlisting the help of any patrollers, instructors, liftees, or other skiers at hand.

Keep in mind, you may not be able to accurately assess your own injuries and damages right after a collision, so if there is any concern, get the ID. And get checked out by a doctor. In addition to any other injuries, you could have suffered a concussion and might not even be aware of it until some time later.
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post #11 of 118
11/20/07 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by empressdiver View Post
You could maintain an action for damages for personal injuries for negligence against that skier. Breach of the skiers' code would certainly be evidence of that negligence, in addition to any other relevant facts. If the perp is a minor, the parents will be held liable for the minor's actions.
More than anything, I want this stupid girl to understand the code. Her inability to admit fault, despite ski patrol witnessing her irresponsible actions is the most bothersome fact to me. I want her to know that my wife was NOT at fault, that she, and she alone was responsible for maintaining her control and not colliding with objects downhill. This is in stark contrast to what patrol said to her in order to "diffuse the situation."

We spoke with risk management at the mountain, and patrols documentation was thorough and clearly placed the blame on the kid. I just don't think she has a clue about what could have happened.

Thanks for everyone's opinions.

How would I got about pursuing this further?

I laughed at the idea of assaulting everyone. Let me tell you, I'm a heavyweight (54 inch chest, 250 pounds) and if patrol wasn't there, and she started lipping... I'm just saying my daddy taught me not to hit a girl, but justice would've been served more quickly.

My 5 1/2 year old and I skied together on her first blue run today. Funny how happy it makes me feel to see her elated.

Peace,

-Z
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post #12 of 118
11/20/07 at 10:56am
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How would I got about pursuing this further?


-Z
Why? What are you looking for? Satisfaction? Get over it, life happens everyday and everyone walked away.
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post #13 of 118
11/20/07 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by DockerZ View Post
More than anything, I want this stupid girl to understand the code. Her inability to admit fault, despite ski patrol witnessing her irresponsible actions is the most bothersome fact to me. I want her to know that my wife was NOT at fault, that she, and she alone was responsible for maintaining her control and not colliding with objects downhill. This is in stark contrast to what patrol said to her in order to "diffuse the situation."

We spoke with risk management at the mountain, and patrols documentation was thorough and clearly placed the blame on the kid. I just don't think she has a clue about what could have happened.

Thanks for everyone's opinions.

How would I got about pursuing this further?

I laughed at the idea of assaulting everyone. Let me tell you, I'm a heavyweight (54 inch chest, 250 pounds) and if patrol wasn't there, and she started lipping... I'm just saying my daddy taught me not to hit a girl, but justice would've been served more quickly.

My 5 1/2 year old and I skied together on her first blue run today. Funny how happy it makes me feel to see her elated.

Peace,

-Z
Reckless Snowboarders are much easier to deal with. After a collision they are inevitably on their butts. If not they are still tethered to the board and can be knocked over with a light tap. There they can be held quite effectively with the tip of a ski pole while you remove their ticket. Then send them on their way to patrol to explain to customer service why they need a new ticket.
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post #14 of 118
11/20/07 at 11:19am
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My 5 1/2 year old and I skied together on her first blue run today. Funny how happy it makes me feel to see her elated.
I know how you feel -- have two daughters, 9 & 7. One sings her way all the way down the mountain, doing nice slow turns, the other bombs straight down unless I make her turn.

To address the thread -- I'm certainly not the most experienced skier here, but in my experience collisions are not that common. NEAR collisions -- pretty common. In the past 10 years I think I've had two collisions. Both involving snowboarders. One, my buddy and I were both boarding (I mostly ski, but sometimes board), and he ran me over like a jackass right in front of a ski school class. The other, I was boarding and following too close behind a guy I was skiing with...he did a quick stop...and I, being momentumally challenged, couldn't stop as quickly.

Like others said -- ski as early as possible in the day, find the less popular trails (some great trails just dont' seem to get skied too much...not sure why), ski during the week if you can. Where's yoru home mountain?

Also...I dont' wnat to start an argument here, but if oyu're not skiing with a helmet, consider one. They're warm, light, and cheaper than your head.

Expect stupidity from others...be on guard for it. Ski the edges of the trail. If you're cutting acrossed a trail for any reason, look uphill first.

Not sure what the ski patrol should have done -- maybe if they hadn't already been respondign to one situation, it might have shaken out a bit differently.

Hope you and your wife (and child) keep it up. Good luck.
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post #15 of 118
11/20/07 at 11:24am

Collisioon

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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
The situation with reckless skiing has gotten ridiculous. The suggestion that you need to seek out less crowded runs or ski on days other than weekends is equally insulting and ridiculous.

The answer is simple. The NSAA should mandate yearly skier education. A simple 20 minute film/course would earn a skier a card that can be used at all areas. No card, no pass or lift ticket. There should also be a zero tolerance policy regarding skier collisions. If you violate the skier code and a collision results you lose your pass or ticket for the day. If injuries result you lose your skiing privileges for the year.

While the skier in this instance may not have been in the race program. Many in these programs are among the biggest offenders of buzzing people and leaving very little margin for error. Instead of being mentored to be ambassadors and caretakers of the sport they ski areas with an unbelievable sense of entitlement.

WOW. I don't know where you're skiing Volk1 but you need to get out to somwhere else. I would really like to see every skier take a 30 min course every year before they get their lift ticket. What'd think we should start another governmental agency to do this, how about: The Agency: Homeland Skiing/Boarding Security, say an office in the East/West and Rockies, movie and 30 min instruction beginning each MAY for the following years certification. ID cards, fingerprinting, photo and short bio included on ID laminated neck card. All applicants that attend will bring their birthcertificate for ID AND YOU THOUGHT MY COMMON SENSE ANSWER WAS RIDICULOUS. LOL: A summary of my doctrine (to prevent myself from slugging some AH) When at all possible stay away from the out of control dummies boarder or skier.

OH Yes, I'll tell the old farts I ski with that next year they're going to have to get govt./skier area/patrol ok to ski. What are we going to do with the old fart ski patrollers I ski with, they can't approve themselves can they? Funny Stuff!!!
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post #16 of 118
11/20/07 at 11:45am
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Originally Posted by Pete No. Idaho View Post
I would really like to see every skier take a 30 min course every year before they get their lift ticket. What'd think we should start another governmental agency to do this, how about: blah blah -snip-
There are many areas right now that require skiers who are going to enter their terrain parks to attend a park safety and awareness presentation that lasts anywhere from 15-30 minutes and which you get a laminated pass for. Similar to a season pass. It's a simple process and could be for skiing in general as well with an NSAA pass good at all areas. Many areas require large ski groups to attend a simiar safety talk or speech before skiing.

It would seem to me that anyone serious about skiing would not mind 15-30 minutes before their season starts if it meant a safer environment for all skiers. The ones that mind are the hot shot know it all experts who are also likely to be involved in catastrophic accidents or collisions. Personally when they are skiing at too high rate a speed on a low Blue with no margin for eror and make a mistake and go off trail and hit a tree and die, I don't really care. It's when that tree is a person that it matters.

Although you have tried to spin this as a government action it isn't at all. It's about self regulation and the industry and the areas should step up and do it.

To suggest as you did that these skeirs need to change where and when they ski is blaming the victim. The failure comes when people like the girl are unable to recognize that theya re in an area where THEY need to reduce their speed to a level that is appropriate for the crowd, conditions, terrain etc.
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post #17 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:03pm
The place I referred to earlier, Camelback, DOES have "cops" that flag down people who are reckless. They will mark or yank tickets, send people in to view a video before they return, etc. They must be doing something right as the message board in PA has lots of kids ranting about them. I was even pulled over twice, once with my daughter when she was 3 or 4 because they wanted to give her an AWARD for her skiing (neat poster which we still have framed) and another time because I was cutting through the woods as part of my Head Gatekeeper duties to get to someone without interfering with the racers. That got me as I had the darn vest on, bright orange, identifying my position, etc. But anyway, this mountain realizes it has a problem and does something about it. The Rangers are NOT Ski Patrol, they are another group and like with cop cars, just having them standing at intersections makes people slow down.

But I still made sure I got out with first chair there and left by 2 PM. I used to call "Honeymoon Lane" "Suicide Alley" by that time of day.
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post #18 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
Why? What are you looking for? Satisfaction? Get over it, life happens everyday and everyone walked away.


Merely looking for understanding from the kid - either internally via the conscience, or externally after getting reamed by patrol. Something along the lines of, "oh my golly gee, I'm sorry for ramming you in the arse. I will be more careful..."

In contrast, she claimed my wife was at fault, and currently thinks my wife is taking a reckless class as well. She needs to understand her actions have consequences.

Everyone walked away only by the grace of God. Had things been 1" differently, her eye would've been injured... not just the orbital rim. My wife visited the Docker last night, and is whiplashed pretty bad, and now is missing out on 1 1/2 days of skiing solely because this idiot doesn't know, or most importantly, care how to follow the rules.

Put simply, if you are in control of your automobile, and rear-end me while doing the speed limit because I slammed on the brakes to avoid something... well, it's technically your fault, but I understand how it happened. If, OTOH, you are speeding and you slam into me while I'm driving responsibly, that's a very different flavor. If you get out of your car cussing that I shouldn't have stopped while you were speeding out of control - well, you've stepped over the proverbial line. That's what this little princess did.

But you are right, she will live to see another day, and she'll have a story to tell her coworkers about her black eye, abraded nose and cheek. (It looks like she smarted off to her husband, and got punched, which I'm sure others assume) She'll physically heal, but it'll take her a while to get over the fear of another freak... and based on patrols response, there will continue to plenty of them around Keystone. (Part of the problem is that there's limited terrain open, and it's circuslike at times. But that just means everyone needs to slow down and wait for their space.)

I'll vote with my money, as that seems to be the only option. Will checkout Alta (I skied there >10 yrs ago but it's a longer, more expensive flight) or Solitude for future trips (We're unfortunately flatlanders) I have no home mountain, although I was previously thinking about buying a condo at Keystone...

I really appreciate this forum. Look forward to more dialogue... hopefully on happier threads. I read a lot, but feel like I have little to offer from a technical standpoint. My "quiver" is one pair of skis, etc.

I'm going to Breck (same owner I know, but my season pass is paid for) mid December for guy time. Snow already!

Regards,

-Z
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post #19 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by volklskier1 View Post
There are many areas right now that require skiers who are going to enter their terrain parks to attend a park safety and awareness presentation that lasts anywhere from 15-30 minutes and which you get a laminated pass for. Similar to a season pass. It's a simple process and could be for skiing in general as well with an NSAA pass good at all areas. Many areas require large ski groups to attend a simiar safety talk or speech before skiing.

It would seem to me that anyone serious about skiing would not mind 15-30 minutes before their season starts if it meant a safer environment for all skiers. The ones that mind are the hot shot know it all experts who are also likely to be involved in catastrophic accidents or collisions. Personally when they are skiing at too high rate a speed on a low Blue with no margin for eror and make a mistake and go off trail and hit a tree and die, I don't really care. It's when that tree is a person that it matters.
Darwin described that activity as natural selection... but only if it occurs before the animal procreates.
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Although you have tried to spin this as a government action it isn't at all. It's about self regulation and the industry and the areas should step up and do it.
When industry doesn't self regulate, the government eventually steps in and makes things difficult for everyone. I agree with volkl that the resorts need to handle this internally before it becomes a bigger issue. Look at the current situation with the airlines and the fliers bill of rights.
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To suggest as you did that these skeirs need to change where and when they ski is blaming the victim. The failure comes when people like the girl are unable to recognize that theya re in an area where THEY need to reduce their speed to a level that is appropriate for the crowd, conditions, terrain etc.
Years ago, I'm sure there was a similar thread when the idea of driver's licenses was proposed. Or was that before some presidential candidate invented the internet?

I'm with you volkl, although it's sad that a few idiots would cause the rest of us to be inconvenienced. I suspect the class would be revenue generating for the resorts, which is good because they need more money.

And after the course, just like on the road, the idiots will still drive recklessly in the slow lanes. Enforcement, IMHO is the answer - it only affects those who are offenders. And yes, I just got off traffic probation for two speeding tickets in a year.

-Z
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post #20 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:33pm
So, you want someone to hold her hand, walk her over to you and make her apologize like its kindergarten? I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how this will help. She thinks it was your wife's fault (sounds like it partially was) and will continue to think that way no matter how many classes she has to sit in. Tell your wife to sack up and get back out there or don't.

Mind you, I'm not saying it shouldn't have been handled differently at the time, it should have, but it wasn't. Time to move on.
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post #21 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:36pm
volklskier1 , I've said it before to others, you really should consider taking up needlepoint or macrame. Skiing would be better off without you.
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post #22 of 118
11/20/07 at 12:49pm
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
So, you want someone to hold her hand, walk her over to you and make her apologize like its kindergarten? I guess I'm just having a hard time understanding how this will help. She thinks it was your wife's fault (sounds like it partially was) and will continue to think that way no matter how many classes she has to sit in. Tell your wife to sack up and get back out there or don't.

Mind you, I'm not saying it shouldn't have been handled differently at the time, it should have, but it wasn't. Time to move on.

Zion, your thoughts are well heeded - my wife should not have been skiing that day, surely not in front of a ski team princess. In fact, maybe my wife should have just run over the patrol who was busy helping an injured skier. You have great insight. Thanks for your input - opinions like yours are priceless, and certainly hard to come by. Please continue. I'm sure volkl is busy at his macrame website now... Thanks. -Z
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post #23 of 118
11/20/07 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by DockerZ View Post
Merely looking for understanding from the kid - either internally via the conscience, or externally after getting reamed by patrol. Something along the lines of, "oh my golly gee, I'm sorry for ramming you in the arse. I will be more careful..."
You're not going to get it. Yet you continue to whine about it. What was your motivation to post this here today, did you want an apology and understanding from us? I'm sorry your wife got hit, is that better? Go and tell her that all of epicski is sorry. I really am sorry that she got hit, but people get hurt because of others actions everyday and I'm not talking about skiing alone. Most of those people will never feel the deep sadness from there actions that you want them to, they are shallow and self centered and aren't going to change.

If your wife had been hurt to the point that there was severe pain and suffering or lost time, then she may be entitled to fair compensation. And guess what? That girl still would have felt that it was your wife's fault.

Volkl isn't at the macrame site yet because no one has held his hand and helped him log on. Sorry for my attitude, but I grow increasingly tired of the regulate everything until its fixed mentality.
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post #24 of 118
11/20/07 at 1:37pm
As far as the patroller goes-it sounds like he was already involved in the actual activity of patrolling-that is, giving on-hill first aid.

Did he still need to take care or follow up ith the downed skier whom he was attending to?? I know, I would have made sure everyone was ok in your collision but quickly get back to an actual injured skier at hand (and certain follow up work to be done at the shack).

Most Patrollers aren't cops-nor do they want to be. Should he have pulled the girl's pass?? Well, if everything is exactly as you detailed it-yeah, maybe. But the fact that he didn't doesn't lead me to say the skiing sky is falling and we need yearly tests, seasonal lectures for all skiers and ski-licenses!!
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post #25 of 118
11/20/07 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post

Volkl isn't at the macrame site yet because no one has held his hand and helped him log on. Sorry for my attitude, but I grow increasingly tired of the regulate everything until its fixed mentality.
ZAg Zig if you're skiing at an area then your living in the world of the very well regulated. From skiing to grooming to snowmaking to lifts. It's all regulated and the whole expereicne is crafted. So if you believe that riding the Snowbird tram is some type of expression of freedom in the wild then your deluding yourself.


This isn't about government regulation, it's about the industry doing something to fix the growing problem of out of control skiers.
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post #26 of 118
11/20/07 at 2:33pm
Did the patroller see the crash? If not then he doesn't know who hit whom, but it sounds to me that he was having an off day. If someone clearly at fault starts mouthing off instead of apologising when they are called to task, then they should be given one warning to shut up and listen while the appropriate section of the code is read to them. If they don't comply pull their pass. (or you could just taser them and sit on them until they stop breathing, eh?)
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post #27 of 118
11/20/07 at 2:39pm
FWIW,

"Hotted" the pass.

Now while I cant say for certain about all ski areas....in some, such as Whistler/Blackcomb it will mean this.

The patroller got her name...that is all he needs to radio down to base, where they can deactiviate her pass...that means when the "ticket checkers" scan it....it wont work....hence he didnt take the "pass" itself, but he rendered it useless.

Hence, she has a one way ticket to the bottom....then when the ticket checkers tell her pass doenst work...they wont know why...they simply point to Admin, and say go check....at Admin she will be notified she needs to take one of these 1.5 hour classes....and the next one is on the XX date...usually a few weeks away.....so yes, to me it sounds like her pass was pulled.

IMO the Patrol did a professional job...he tendered to his first injury, tended to you and your wife, all while defusing a hostile punk, but at the same time, doing what he can within his authority to ensure it doesn't happen again.

I know it is frustrating getting taken out, especially when all you expected was a heart felt apology....but what can you do....this is not an issue unique to skiing at all...happens everyday in all aspects of life....still doesnt make it right thou....you have a right to be mad, but let it go, from my expierance those incidences are far more the exception then the rule.
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post #28 of 118
11/20/07 at 2:46pm
Not only did he do the right thing, he got rid of her quickly and she didn't even realize it. I would love to see her face when she tries to use the lift and then finds out why her ticket's no good, and she can't climb back up to argue about it
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Originally Posted by Skidude72 View Post
FWIW,

"Hotted" the pass.

Now while I cant say for certain about all ski areas....in some, such as Whistler/Blackcomb it will mean this.

The patroller got her name...that is all he needs to radio down to base, where they can deactiviate her pass...that means when the "ticket checkers" scan it....it wont work....hence he didnt take the "pass" itself, but he rendered it useless.

Hence, she has a one way ticket to the bottom....then when the ticket checkers tell her pass doenst work...they wont know why...they simply point to Admin, and say go check....at Admin she will be notified she needs to take one of these 1.5 hour classes....and the next one is on the XX date...usually a few weeks away.....so yes, to me it sounds like her pass was pulled.

IMO the Patrol did a professional job...he tendered to his first injury, tended to you and your wife, all while defusing a hostile punk, but at the same time, doing what he can within his authority to ensure it doesn't happen again.

I know it is frustrating getting taken out, especially when all you expected was a heart felt apology....but what can you do....this is not an issue unique to skiing at all...happens everyday in all aspects of life....still doesnt make it right thou....you have a right to be mad, but let it go, from my expierance those incidences are far more the exception then the rule.
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post #29 of 118
11/20/07 at 2:51pm
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I laughed at the idea of assaulting everyone. Let me tell you, I'm a heavyweight (54 inch chest, 250 pounds) and if patrol wasn't there, and she started lipping... I'm just saying my daddy taught me not to hit a girl, but justice would've been served more quickly...
This kind of blows all your credibility in asserting 1) that the initial fault was all on the part of the other skier, and 2) that the young girl was the one with the hostility problem. Your attitude is part of the problem, and also part of why resort insurance premiums are already so high. Don't mess up the sport for those who actually want to ski or ride.
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post #30 of 118
11/20/07 at 3:03pm
The patroller does not necessarily have the authority to pull a ticket. At some resorts they do, at others they don't.
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