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New unmounted Chubbs on Ebay for cheap

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Somebody buy these Volant Chubbs! I just added two new pairs of skis so have no need for them. I hope someone here can snap them up.
post #2 of 28
Good work; ruined a potential poach. (Just kidding, on my behalf, but maybe not someone else's...)
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
Sorry man...I pondered that but couldn't resist.
post #4 of 28
OOOOOH, Philpug's gonna put the hammer down!

This is why there is the "anti spoil the snipe" clause in the Phil's garage - Gear Swap!!
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
Oh crap am I gonna get banned? I should have PMed everyone.
post #6 of 28
Unless this is your auction you shouldn't have said anything...I've been bidding on those (check the bid history and notice my name) and trying to score them...Now you've probably just ruined my chances. And yes...If this was TGR and it wasn't your auction you'd get banned.
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
yea sorry about that. I feel bad dude. I got all excited about it. I can't edit my post.
post #8 of 28
Is it ironic that this thread comes on the heals of the new Gear Swap Guidelines, including the new "anti spoil the snipe" clause.

memosteve, that eBayer has a 100% rating. Based on one sale. You willing to risk it? Yes PayPal offers buyer "protection", but it is a PITA just to log a complaint.

Personally, eBay is a separate entity. We should be able to post whatever we want to about it. You might get out-sniped, that's the nature of the game. Besides, a simple Google search for an item usually results in several hits from eBay. It is no longer a secret for the computer savvy.
post #9 of 28
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
Now you've probably just ruined my chances.
If so, then another Bear has been helped. Sorry, but I'm glad the old rule is gone. If you can't afford to pay a fair price for something, tough luck.
post #10 of 28
It's not so much about paying fair price as it is about the fun of the ebay snipe. Do I NEED another pair of Chubbs? No...Can I afford to pay what they are really worth? Probably...But that's really not the point.
It's not my fault if the seller sets his minimum way below market value...That's the risk you take as a seller when you do that!

I'm not so much upset about it, other than it's a courtesy/respect thing...If my buddy shows up at my house talking about the great deal he saw at the goodwill store, and has to wait a couple of days to buy it, I'm not gonna go tell my other buddy that wants one too about the deal...That wouldn't be fair to buddy number one.
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post
.If my buddy shows up at my house talking about the great deal he saw at the goodwill store, and has to wait a couple of days to buy it, I'm not gonna go tell my other buddy that wants one too about the deal...That wouldn't be fair to buddy number one.
Your analogy doesn't work, because someone posting an ebay listing on this site doesn't know there is another Bear already interested. To not be able to post a link to an item on ebay simply because another Bear may conceivably have seen the listing and may be interested in sniping the auction is absurd.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
Your analogy doesn't work, because someone posting an ebay listing on this site doesn't know there is another Bear already interested. To not be able to post a link to an item on ebay simply because another Bear may conceivably have seen the listing and may be interested in sniping the auction is absurd.

Well the safe bet, if you care, is to assume a Bear is interested...

When it comes down to it do whatever you want...
post #13 of 28
Two kinds of people: the quick and the hungry. Or, in this case, the watchful and the unaware. Why not let that sort itself out WRT ebay, unless it's your auction? Or, wait until someone posts a WTB or asks about a ski in a thread, and then PM them if you want to help a Bear find what they're looking for?

Either way, it may not deserve banishment, but why post every good deal? Why was there an "anti-snipe" policy to begin with? Seemed like there was some history behind that...
post #14 of 28
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Do I NEED another pair of Chubbs? .
Does a bear ski in the woods?

There's no such thing as enough pairs of Chubbs. :

Of course 180s are too short for me.
post #15 of 28
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Why was there an "anti-snipe" policy to begin with? Seemed like there was some history behind that...
It's just good manners. If I know a specific person is looking for a particular ski, and see a deal on it, I will pm them, but big mouthing it to the world just serves to drive the price up.
post #16 of 28
FWIW, we're listening and not banning.
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Steve, obviously I didn't realize that you were a Bear, nor did I even look at the current bidders. It wasn't malicious like I knew. I had seen this the first day it went up.

I wouldn't have posted out of respect it if i knew but now I don't feel so bad for you since you have a feeling of entitlement on a public auction. BTW if I didn't post it you would be bidding against me anyway.

Steve doesn't mention that I sent him a very apologetic message through Ebay.

I would be glad to be your Buddy but don't you think we should at least meet and have a drink first? LOL

EDIT: To be honest I didn't even read the Gear Swap Guidelines until now. I generally don't read any guidelines or rules at forums because I pretty much know what lines not to cross having both owned and moderated at other forums. I guess I should start.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by MattL View Post
Steve, obviously I didn't realize that you were a Bear, nor did I even look at the current bidders. It wasn't malicious like I knew. I had seen this the first day it went up.

I wouldn't have posted out of respect it if i knew but now I don't feel so bad for you since you have a feeling of entitlement on a public auction. BTW if I didn't post it you would be bidding against me anyway.

Steve doesn't mention that I sent him a very apologetic message through Ebay.

I would be glad to be your Buddy but don't you think we should at least meet and have a drink first? LOL

I don't have an issue with you...Your apology is accepted!

You just made a mistake. You weren't attempting to be malicious in anyway...Just a momentary lapse in judgement. I'm over it.

What I really have a problem with is the persons demanding that I justify myself as to wanting to get the best possible deal on ebay, and heaven forbid, maybe even "snipe" something for less than it's worth.:

P.S. You owe me a drink, or two, or three.
post #19 of 28
While we are on the subject of politeness and good manners, the polite (and smart) thing would be to PM MattL to let him know he just opened the flood gates on an item you were planning on sniping instead of calling him out on the open forum. It really just serves to bump this thread and call even more attention to the auction which is supposedly what the policy is trying to avoid. KTHXBye
post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by tromano View Post
While we are on the subject of politeness and good manners, the polite (and smart) thing would be to PM MattL to let him know he just opened the flood gates on an item you were planning on sniping instead of calling him out on the open forum. It really just serves to bump this thread and call even more attention to the auction which is supposedly what the policy is trying to avoid. KTHXBye

You are correct, but you have to remember that my initial response was made during the heat of battle...We've both worked it out, and it's really no longer an issue.

Besides, the auction is over now and I lost anyways...I got stuck talking to my mother in-law at the end of the auction and I didnt get a last chance to snipe.:
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
Hey guys this thread led me to read this thread http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=61887 which i hadn't seen. This was purely coincidence!

I don't usually read the politics at any forums I frequent other than my own since I have to deal with my own member issues and spam at my forum. I can relate to what Phil is dealing with. I think I have an opinion about it but I'm not sure what it is yet :-)
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by memosteve View Post

What I really have a problem with is the persons demanding that I justify myself as to wanting to get the best possible deal on ebay, and heaven forbid, maybe even "snipe" something for less than it's worth.:
Of course you can want to get the best deal possible on ebay. We all want that. But there's been no reasonable argument posited by anyone for not being able to post here an auction for a ski that's likely to appeal to Bears. There's no way of knowing whether any Bear has yet seen the auction, and if another Bear purchases the item, then a Bear has been helped (even if it's not you). So, please, enough with the whining.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by moguljunkie View Post
Of course you can want to get the best deal possible on ebay. We all want that. But there's been no reasonable argument posited by anyone for not being able to post here an auction for a ski that's likely to appeal to Bears. There's no way of knowing whether any Bear has yet seen the auction, and if another Bear purchases the item, then a Bear has been helped (even if it's not you). So, please, enough with the whining.
I'm not "whining", dude...It's up to the mods of this site to come up with the policy they seem fit. It's just my oppinion that it's not good practice to expose ongoing auctions, unless it's your auction, and I'd never do it myself.

I'm not the only one that has this oppinion, so quit attempting to persecute me for having said oppinion...

On a side note...This site used to be my favorite site, but TGR is quickly replacing Epic for me as their policies, such as posting auctions, seem to be more inline with my thinking. This little chat with some of you might just very well be the nail in the coffin for me.

I'd suggest this thread be locked, or deleted, before this really get's out of hand and turns into a flame war...

Phil and Cirque, I'll still work on the theft case, as it's my duty to do so, but this might be it for me...
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by volantaddict View Post
It's just good manners. If I know a specific person is looking for a particular ski, and see a deal on it, I will pm them, but big mouthing it to the world just serves to drive the price up.
^I agree with this approach. Not driving up demand by broadcasting an ebay listing was posited (did I spell that right?) as a really good reason not to post to all of Epic...
post #25 of 28
One last thought from me and I'll drop it...

One MAJOR component the persons, that are for exposing an auction, don't get is the fact that if a Bear would be interested in a certain item, they are probably already searching/watching/bidding on ebay already...So why the need to expose/advertise it? Just let the auction naturally run it's course!
post #26 of 28
I will put the hammer down (as TC said I might) in here now, maybe too late, now this has pissed enough people off. Part of the guidelines in gear swap, for the past year or so, was that people shouldn't post auction info for such these reasons. There is a good chance you might be exposing an auction for a fellow Bear. There were two exceptions to this guideline 1. It was your own auction and 2. It had a "buy it now". For any of us who spend a lot of time on Ebay, this was very important. I agree with many here, if I have my eye on something, I want as few people to know about it. If there is someone I think might be interested in that item, I would either e-mail or PM them the info. I will go to the extent of trying to bypass the Ebay mail system if I have a question for the seller. I do not want my question published on the auction for the fear that it might help another bidder.

I am truly sorry it has gotten to this point, someone tried to fix something that wasn't broken and made a mess out of things. The auction in question will get deleted out of this thread and the guideline will get reinstated. Any future auctions posted will just be deleted.

Here is the part that will be reinstated...
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You may post your own Ebay auction to notify members or a "Buy it Now" auction of general interest. Don't post other auctions because you might be posting an auction that a fellow Bear is planning to snipe/snag (unless it is your auction).
post #27 of 28
Thread Starter 
No need to put the hammer down on me Phil. I understand completely. It was my bad I didn't read the rules. First one I have ever broken at a forum. Common sense usually prevails. I realized it early on obviously.

I'm not sure why you didn't just delete this thread ASAP if it is against the rules. If someone breaks a black and white (no grey area) rule such as this on my forum (on purpose or by mistake) I delete the thread as soon as I see it. I always PM the person to let them know why as well. Letting a thread that is against the rules continue sends a mixed message.
post #28 of 28
Matt,

I am not putting it down on you, you didn't do anything "wrong". More on the situation. With the change in guideline, I wanted to see how it would play out and it played just as I expected.
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