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post #1 of 5
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Originally Posted by Ghost View Post
The lower limit of too soft is easy to get at; the suspension bottoms out too often and we also need to move too far in order to get the forces we want transmitted to the ski.

How do you tell if the boot is too stiff?
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post #2 of 5
Last spring ran into (no that isn't the reason for his retirement) Thomas Grandi off the poma at Lake Louise. He was in his race boots and skiing bumps not badly for a retired racer. Which is to say I would have bet on him in a bump competition.

Last spring Bill Keenan (ex-80s bump champion) stopped into the store for a pair of skis. Again he skis a stiff boot all over the mountain and voiced his dislike for soft boots that left him without enough support in changing situations.

Two years ago skied with technical director of Fernie who for the first time in his career was skiing a plug boot (Dobermann). He was amazed at the difference in control.

There are however members of this forum that ski very soft touring boots.

So what is right? Whatever works for you.

Purpose of stiff boot in my opinion ( stiff longitudinally, laterally is another matter, all boots benefit from lateral stiffness) is more to help hold us up rather than to transmit forces to the tip.

So how much help do you need for the way you ski to support your out of balance movements?

The more you can maintain balance without relying on the boot for support the softer your boot can be if you like. It is all about your ability to maintain balance. That is a function of ramp, binding position and cuff alignment coupled with the diversity of terrain and your aggressiveness.

A boot can only be too soft or to firm for you.

post #3 of 5
Referring to forward flex:

Too stiff to me means the boot will have a negative affect on the skier's ability to maintain dynamic balance and flow.

It will hinder the ability to absorb irregular terrain

Too stiff a boot will interfere with the ability to maintain an offensive attitude while skiing.

If the boot will not flex under higher loads and the skier has to make movements that detract smooth flow from turn to turn it is too stiff. I do not mean here that the skier must have the internal power to be able to flex the boot rather that the external forces in the turn need to cause the boot to flex under the loads sufficiently to aid rather than detract from the turns.

To operate on the assumption one must be able to flex their boots through the full range of the ankles range of motion in the shop or standing statically on the skis is misleading. The full range (if not a little less for ankle safety) should only be reached when the maximum loads of a turn are acting on the skier.

Even within these parameters there is certainly room for personal preference and ideals.
post #4 of 5
Thread Starter 
So basically, if I'm not finding that the ski boot goes through or near to it's maximum design range of motion when I'm skiing, then the boot is likely too stiff for the skiing that I'm doing, but If when I'm skiing I'm using the range of motion built into the boot then it's not too stiff?
post #5 of 5
Basically yes, but this may be difficult to quantify? Basically if you feel yourself "bottoming out" your boot it may be too soft and if you feel your boot is causing compensations in your ability to balance it may be too stiff. Please note IMO, a softer boot will mask and compensate better for incorrectly aligned boots while a stiffer boot will be more critical of alignment needs. A proper aligned stiffer boot will reward accurate movements and aid recoveries quicker than a softer one.

Of course Ghost these are only my opinions and may not represent other's views.
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