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Scarpa Spirit 4 Review

post #1 of 25
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First off, I want to thank those of you who gave me the info on the Hurricane. I ended up ordering a pair of Spirit 4's, mostly because I wanted the Dynafit capability. Another consideration is that since I seem to do quite a bit of booting on rocky ridges, I also really do like the rockered sole of the Spirit rather than the DIN-style sole on the Hurricane/Tornado.

So I've now had a chance to do about four hours of skinning and a few short runs in somewhat marginal early-season snow conditions. I'm comparing these Spirits to a pair of Lazer's that I got in about '98 or '99. I've always really liked the Lazer's for their weight and comfort and they were about as good a choice as there was back when I bought them. Today's bigger skis like a little more drive from a boot, however, and the Lazer's tend to be pretty soft.

What I could tell right away is that the Spirt is a MUCH more powerful boot than the Lazer. Skinning in the Spirits doesn't seem to be appreciably less comfortable, so that was a definite plus. I think they *are* slightly heavier than the Lazer's, but there is just a great deal more control in the Spirit when compared to the Lazer.

I'm actually looking forward to making some lift-served runs with these boots once our ski area opens. With the Lazer's, I usually just put up with the boots inbounds while I was headed to or from the out-of-bounds. The Spirits seem to feel like they would be pretty skiable even on hardpack (and possibly even bumps!).

So, I'm very pleased with my overall first impression. They walk and climb well and ski great.
post #2 of 25
Bob, was the Spirit's fit pretty similar to the Lazers?
post #3 of 25
Good to hear. I really wanted a pair of spirits but I decided to wear out the matrix's first. I'm going to put in an intuition power wrap and add some booster starps and see if that stiffens them up some.
post #4 of 25
Chuck a pair of Denali XT tongues on the Matrix too.
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post
Bob, was the Spirit's fit pretty similar to the Lazers?
The overall "feel" of the boot is pretty similar. I was quite pleasantly surprised by the roominess in the sixth toe area. I got the boot in a 27.5, which was just borderline LONG enough, but the width was perfect. The Spirits do have the Intuition liner, which is different from whatever (I don't even know) came with the Lazers.

I do have custom footbeds in the Lazers and those have been VERY comfortable boots. I haven't done anything yet to the Spirits because I thought I'd skin in them for a few hours to get a feeling. So far, there's a little bit of a rub spot on the inside of one heel, but I think maybe I didn't have that boot tight enough. Other than that, they feel great.

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Good to hear. I really wanted a pair of spirits but I decided to wear out the matrix's first. I'm going to put in an intuition power wrap and add some booster starps and see if that stiffens them up some.
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Originally Posted by SMALLZOOKEEPER View Post
Chuck a pair of Denali XT tongues on the Matrix too.
ZOOKEEPER: Does the Matrix use the same tongue attachment as the Lazer? The reason I ask is that I was told years ago that the standard Lazer tongue could be easily replaced by a Raichle Flexon tongue, which would stiffen the boot up considerably. I never got around to doing it, but Flexons are pretty available at thrift shops, etc. Maybe zion zig zag could find a pair of Flexon tongues if that would work too?
post #6 of 25
How wide are your feet bob?

I have heard that the spirit 4 is one of the wider AT boots available, and i need them wide...
post #7 of 25
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How wide are your feet bob?

I have heard that the spirit 4 is one of the wider AT boots available, and i need them wide...
Pretty wide. I think I'm an E in a street shoe (although I don't buy many street shoes anymore so I'm not too sure ).

When I first slipped on the Spirits, I was very surprised at the width of the toe box. I would call it the widest toe box I've ever felt in an AT boot.
post #8 of 25
It's a simple modification to put on a flexon tongue, however easier to put on a Denali as they are the same mould. You can put a black Spirit 4/Tornado Tongue on if you cut a couple of mm of the hinge lug on the clog.
post #9 of 25
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Pretty wide. I think I'm an E in a street shoe (although I don't buy many street shoes anymore so I'm not too sure ).

When I first slipped on the Spirits, I was very surprised at the width of the toe box. I would call it the widest toe box I've ever felt in an AT boot.
Thanks Bob, that's useful info.
post #10 of 25
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Thanks Bob, that's useful info.
You thinking of coming over to the dark side? :
post #11 of 25
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You thinking of coming over to the dark side? :
Heh - never! Or not until I get (even) older. I just work part-time in a bc ski shop now. Did I mention that I retired from the fire service?
post #12 of 25
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Heh - never! Or not until I get (even) older.
That sounds much more like it. I couldn't imagine you fixing that heel problem of yours.

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Heh - never! Or not until I get (even) older. I just work part-time in a bc ski shop now. Did I mention that I retired from the fire service?
Wow.

Congratulations.

I think it's a good time for you to be getting out. Those fires are just getting more and more dangerous as the years go by. On that same theme, thanks again to you and all the other firefighters. That's rough work (even if you were mostly behind the lines the last few years). I'm glad somebody is willing to do it.
post #13 of 25
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That sounds much more like it. I couldn't imagine you fixing that heel problem of yours.
I could never live down the shame.

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Congratulations.

I think it's a good time for you to be getting out.
After I made my plans and set a date, the phrase "Not a moment too soon" was stuck in my head.

It's been great - besides the bc shop job, I also got on the local pro patrol last winter. Paying for my habits. This last summer (after I retired) was the best in 33 years. Climbing, fly-fishing, mtn biking...and I got a lot of work done on the house. :

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Those fires are just getting more and more dangerous as the years go by. On that same theme, thanks again to you and all the other firefighters. That's rough work (even if you were mostly behind the lines the last few years). I'm glad somebody is willing to do it.
True that, and here's a toast to all the wildfire fighters and managers out there - it's a tough job and getting tougher.
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by Bob Peters View Post
Pretty wide. I think I'm an E in a street shoe (although I don't buy many street shoes anymore so I'm not too sure ).

When I first slipped on the Spirits, I was very surprised at the width of the toe box. I would call it the widest toe box I've ever felt in an AT boot.

Cheers for that Bob! In atomic DH boots, so need all the width i can get!
post #15 of 25
Nutter, I thought you were getting the Adrenalines?
post #16 of 25
i wont fit into adrenalines, all the feedback i have received is that they are a narrower fit... clioser to a lange than an atomic
post #17 of 25
Have you actuall tried, or is that based on feedback? Interesting as I had Atomic B9's, which are a wide fit and the Adrenalines fit me fine. Mind you, I wouldn't want to punch or grind the Adrenaline shell. Caveat, I have retired the Atomics and squeezed into a Lange Comp 100 (a good bootfitter will do that).
post #18 of 25
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Cheers for that Bob! In atomic DH boots, so need all the width i can get!
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Nutter, I thought you were getting the Adrenalines?
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i wont fit into adrenalines, all the feedback i have received is that they are a narrower fit... clioser to a lange than an atomic
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Have you actuall tried, or is that based on feedback? Interesting as I had Atomic B9's, which are a wide fit and the Adrenalines fit me fine. Mind you, I wouldn't want to punch or grind the Adrenaline shell. Caveat, I have retired the Atomics and squeezed into a Lange Comp 100 (a good bootfitter will do that).
Boots and feet are really unpredictable.

I tired Adrenalines and Endorphins last winter because I really like the overall shape and flex of the Garmonts. I couldn't even stand in the shop for more than 10 minutes without serious cramping in both the Adrenalines and the Endorphins. For whatever reason, my foot really fits a Scarpa and just plain does not fit a Garmont. That's kind ounexpected because the prevailing wisdom seems to be that Garmonts should fit my wide forefoot better than Scarpas. I guess that's why wearing them in the shop is the best route.

My wife is on Garmonts and loves them.
post #19 of 25
I have Adrenalines and am happy with them except inbounds where I think their a bit too soft. I added the stiff booster strap and that helped a lot. In bumps sometimes the boot mushes forward at the ankles. My foot is the oppisite of Bobs, Scarpas crush my feet.
post #20 of 25
Forefoot on Endorphine 100mm and on the Spirit 102mm. These kind of boots, if sold with Thermo fit liners will tell you nothing until properly fitted. Differences in liner are temporary/shorter term.
post #21 of 25
I don't understand this Scarpa Foot vs Garmont Foot thing. Both manufacturers have 3 different lasts in their ranges running from 100mm to 104mm and all being different shapes. I can't belive any one foot would be better in all three of one brand and not one of the other.
post #22 of 25

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Ditto SmallZooKeeper,
FWIW I've been modding my Endorphins with heat gun on low.....haven't seen/felt any decrement to structural integrity so far....third ski day today...will see how they do directing some 94mm Hazmats in a few days(I hope)... Ordered pair of Dynafit Zzero high TF liners...to see how they'll feel in my Garmonts. Really liked them when trying on the Zzeros...could tell the shell in my size would be too small in several areas but liners felt nice...so ordered. Much less stuff in heel area than G-Fits.
post #23 of 25

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Ditto Bob's as well.....
The Spirit 4s were just a little too big, would be a nice relaxed-fit with Intuitions(Alpine) or Scarpa Thermos... Indeed, nice to have some wider forefoot boots with volume over instep. I thought the heel area was a comfortable fit...= not too spacious.
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by zion zig zag View Post
Good to hear. I really wanted a pair of spirits but I decided to wear out the matrix's first. I'm going to put in an intuition power wrap and add some booster starps and see if that stiffens them up some.
Just an update in case anyone is interested. I climbed and skied a couple of thousand feet today and they felt great. The intuitions definitely stiffened them up, maybe a little too stiff if I was going to do a long walk, but not noticeable skinning, they skied better than the stocks.
post #25 of 25

...Dynafit's Zzero liner

fwiw...
Bought Dynafit's Zzero high thermo liner...reallly nice fitting, not as thick all around and a pretty firm feel to them all around!...very warm...not as stiff as an Intuition in its forward flex..shaped somewhat like G-Fit only a lot nicer made...imo. The Endorphin's shell material Has accepted slow heating/stretching, particularly in my forefoot, very easily...(for anyone who's a little anxious about modding or having anyone try to add a little room width-wise!). Length was ideal for me and the fit over the instep was nice! As mentioned by Zookeeper..& others...Garmonts seem to vary their last shapes between boot models...soooo..just another example of where one has to try them on....(duh);-)

$.01
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